Hanny

Snow flurries continuing and adding to lying snow, off beat roads that have not been gritted only passable with 4 wheel drive and/or winter tyres. Ref comment earlier on the thread about winter tyres, they are not just for snow, but also are excellent in wet condions especially when temps are lower. Granted you are at the mercy of other cars on the road when snowing but it means you can take detours off the gritted roads and most importantly, your braking and control are far more controlled with winter tyres. There numerous articals about the grip on summer tyres dramatically reducing in low temps, some start to reduce from 5 deg ambiant. But all in all it’s really down to individual perceptions and the type of roads you have to negotiate over winter.

Hi all, Brinscall - wet snow, has been going for about an hour and is starting to settle except for roads, a lot of surface water from earlier rain, if this lot freezes tonight, roads will be very tricky.

Light dusting in Crawley at the moment

Light dusting in Crawley

With x3 kids I would suggest iPads or DVD machines, last thing you will want is the age old 'are we there yet' continuously sounding off.

Now thats one hell of a drive, no more ferries to Norway or Denmark, furthest North is Hull to Rotterdam. A couple of years ago I drove up to Esbjerg, Denmark and had to do it in 2 goes - Eurotunnel then stoped in Nijmagen over night and then up to Denmark - was in my R32 so had fun on some of the roads.......but pulling a caravan - thats extreme.

..hmm could this be more on the lines of 'eye candy' but for different reasons than the weather?.......

As I have posted on the MOAN thread - I'm struggling to keep up with the models/trends and keep a positive frame of mind for this winter - i can't remember a winter where the models have been so unpredictable. Not sure if any of the 'it will, it won't, BOOM posts that have been posted in the MOD thread has contributed to the overall expectations but on the whole it has been quite a depressing experience. I know that on reflection we have had a better winter than last year and there has been relief for those who had a terrible time last year with the floods but, for some reason I think that I have found myself falling into the 'believe' category who has expected more of the trends/models to of come to fruition. Never before have I found myself wishing for winter to end and move towards the warmer seasons as i am now.

Im normally a positive positive 'glass half full' person but have to admit that the trends and forecasts have been so numerous with 'no shows' that I am finding it very difficult to stay positive. Yesterday we had 95% chance of snow shown on the 7/10 forecast (Netweather) in addition to the experienced posters in the MOD thread ....... but alas it was another 'no show'. I don't think I can remember such a winter as we have seen in regards to 'flip-flop' of the models etc. Yes it has been good to have a dry winter and that those poor soles last year getting flooded out but I think i would of been happier if the forecast had informed that it would go this way instead of the models showing some great eye candy only to have it dissolve into nothingness. I now find myself looking forward to Spring and Summer sunshine..............

@Delka - had a similar forecast for us in West Sussex (showed 95% chance of snow), how ever nothing happened, certainly not as per the Netweather forecast as you have shown. Unfortunately I think the Netweather 7/10 forecast should be taken with a LARGE pinch of salt. Hope that I am wrong for your area but just a friendly heads up - good luck

From the Met Office: Feb 6, 2017 4:01 PM Following a spell of wet and blustery weather, colder conditions are expected to move in from the east later this week with some snow showers developing mainly on the eastern side of the UK. In the wake of a series of low pressure systems that brought strong winds and periods of heavy rain at the end of last week, high pressure is building over Scandinavia, which will act to fend off further low pressure systems from the Atlantic. Before the high pressure takes control, the front currently over the UK will work its way eastward before stalling close to the east coast on Tuesday. It will bring with it relatively strong winds and some periods of heavier rainfall. A Yellow National Severe Weather Warning for wind has been issued for today (Monday) in Northern Ireland and the Western Isles, additionally there is a Yellow warning for ice in Scotland overnight tonight with some snow also over higher ground. Deputy Chief Meteorologist Jenny Rourke said: “As the front moves east across the country it will stall close to the east coast on Tuesday and then weaken leaving a rather cloudy set-up across much of the country through mid-week." The high pressure will bring easterly winds which will force temperatures down across the country, especially in the east. From Wednesday there will be widespread frosts developing overnight across much of the UK with daytime temperatures struggling to get above 5°C during the day in the east with wind chill making it feel even colder. The western side of the UK won’t be much warmer with temperatures likely to be around 7°C during the day. Jenny added: “The influence of the high pressure over Scandinavia is likely to stay with us, forcing a cold east to south-easterly airstream. It is likely to be a largely dry, albeit rather cloudy end to the week, with the best of any brighter breaks expected to develop towards the west and northwest. Some snow showers will develop in the east and northeast by Friday, with a small chance of these spreading to central and some western areas. Current indications are that, once the east to south-easterly winds set in they may stay with us into next week.”

I'm wondering if there is a misunderstanding with peoples interpretation as people are living in different parts of the UK and when some posters say snow, cold etc. the prediction of cold/very cold assessment might be relative to their respective area. Readers may think that a post is in relation to the whole of the UK or their own area, of corse nor withstanding that all are predictions or theories based on trends/experience. I think it fair to say that this site is a source for discussions and not as a fact of what will happen- there is no computer and/or person that can give a 100% forecast. This forum should used/read on an interest and views bias as oppposed to a fact 'what WILL happen, after Netweather is just a hobby interest forum, nothing more.

From the Met Office: Regional forecast for London & South East England Cold and cloudy overnight. Remaining very cold Thursday. This Evening and Tonight: Cold and cloudy at first, with a widespread frost. Mostly dry. although the odd spot of drizzle, or perhaps some very slight snow is possible, bringing a risk of localised icy patches. Turning breezy, with some clearer spells by dawn. Minimum Temperature -3 °C. Thursday: Early cloud should break through the morning with spells of sunshine developing. Despite the sunshine, it will feel bitterly cold in a brisk wind, and a widespread sharp frost overnight. Maximum Temperature 3 °C.

Just dropped my son down in Chichester, fog patches along the way, roads were damp but noted that the gritters had been out and also when we got back to Crawley we came across more council gritting trucks so looks like some are expecting ice tonight. Temps (according to car temp display) showing +1.5deg, which was the average all the way down and back......

The following seems to be he mean cause and effects: So far the forum has been overly excited at cold trends that are in some cases +7 days/FI. As time gets closer there has been a Trait of changes to watered down and/or no cold scenarios. Despite detailed posts from the experienced posters some choose to only focus on the key word not the 'may', 'could', 'might' and/or 'more runs needed'. End result - teddies arms and legs booming through the sound barrier as they are ejected by the die hard snow warriors. There for we should adapt a bespoke Murphys Law as follows: When mild or not so cold trends are shown - similar to current status. We should await the opposite change around to cold as we have had as detailed above from Cold to Warm. It becomes a pleasant surprise as it was not anticipated as many disappear off the forum and thus are not aware of the changes etc - cold signals arrive on the short term forecast. All the shadow warriors spring out of the darkness to claim that they seen this in the 'Tea Leaves' and/or 'their testicles glowed as they used them as a crystal ball' and predicted the change to cold outlook'. In summary - all very amusing and very predictable, its quiet as people are drinking tea like there is no tomorrow and others are turning off the lights to see if anything glows!!!

This morning there was still snow on the ground from last night (approx 2-3cm) - it froze over night so when cars pass it sounds like they are driving on broken glass. Some parts are starting to melt but the temp is still dropping so may turn to ice tonight - I can see a front to the north and the weather radar is showing snow on this front so could end up with a top up of snow which would be nice.

Just had a long long journey home from Stord in Norway, sat at Bergen airport next to the run way for two hours as all the flights into Gatwick were delayed due to issues with landings and taking off. Flight was meant to land at Gatwick at 20:10 but landed at 22:20 only to be sat in the aircraft for another 30mins due to another aircraft stuck in out gate as it was waiting to be de-iced. At home (Crawley) snow had started to melt but still a good coupe of inches on the ground, cloud has cleared and I think that the roads are going to be a bit of an ice nightmare in the morning...........how ever.....I think its great and am looking forward to more of the same ..... with any luck

Okay - thanks

Oh dear - snow risk for my area has disappeared from the 10 day forecast. Could some say which model that the Netweather 10 day forecast is based on Netweather - thanks in advance.

By the look of it your out for a 'spoiler' - as stated previously - no argument here, you sir are the one that has made it clear to at least two forum posters that you are unhappy and have highlighted the word 'argument'. How ever it is so easy these days to 'escalate' a situation/confrontation than it is to 'de-escalate' - thus I humbly back down to your better judgement and wish you a pleasant evening and buy your self a beer on me

I think you need to put your 'lipstick' away sir, not spoiling for an argument, just basing a comment from actual experience. It is well written/reported about depression due to short days or as some call it 'SAD' - have a search and you can see for your self. Anyway, as stated, this was merely a question not an intention to evoke a heated debate etc.

Quite bizarre comments to be honest, as a 'Brit' I have always dressed correctly for the conditions - in fact I could confirm that there is approx 12,000 British Ladies and Gents that are currently correctly dressed for the weather in 'Europe' ......... I can also confirm that they all take the 'Queens Shilling' I currently work in both Norway and Denmark (two parts of Scandinavia), I can confirm that there are far more deaths there than UK in the winter ......... how ever it is not due to the cold but depression due to the short days would you believe!! As the UK is a Temperate climate and it is not the 'norm' to have pre-longed snowing conditions, I think the average across the UK works out at approx 5-10 days as a mean average - I am not surprised that some people don't dress for the cold, but I think that those deaths that do happen in UK is not from being dressed outside but more that they can't afford to put on the heating or have an illness that is the main contributor to said death. I suppose that another way of looking at it - if you were to move the people over from Yakutsk with their winter kit - they would probably die of heat stroke in winter on our little island !!

Maybe this SE England forum should have an understanding/arrangement - those who get good snow invite the others in the SE England forum to visit and share the joy. Caveats: Visitors must come equipped with their own sleds Visitors must bring food for a BBQ That the invites are not just for one cold snap - it is for all as they happen Conclusion: We all get to enjoy and get a snow fix

I previously lived in Germany for 10 years, had to work on Bosnian mountain tops (snow drifts were so bad one winter that even armoured track vehicles could not move) we couldn't land helicopters as they would sink into the 10ft snow, our generator exhausts had 1" long icicles hanging off them even though they were hot), also worked in the Desert when it was +30 in the day and -5 at night........from these experiences I have found the following experiences/observations: It is a different type of cold on the continent than in UK British are not sep-up for continuous or extreme cold - why should they, it is not the 'norm' in the UK UK does not allocate money for extreme weather (snow ploughs, heated car parks etc.) - this cost if they were to would be passed on to the public and then there would be an outcry of millions spent for 10days of snow every other year or worse British mentality towards winter tyres is 'generally' poor with a view that its not worth the money and as a whole Brits think that winter tyres are only for snow (note there is a difference between snow and winter tyres) No matter which country, if there are 'freak' extremes in the weather - then they ALL suffer the same issue of being caught out HOW EVER, one thing that I do know is that the British people do have a certain trait/quality is that they look out for the venerable and in some places are willing to group together and help. There are a few older people who live on our estate and the wife and I always pop around to clear their paths or offer to take them down to the shops (have and Audi Allroad with winter tyres), in fact we have taken quite a few people to the shops as we live on a hill and when it snows it just ices up but councils won't grit it as its a private estate. So in my experience, the British in some cases are able to adapt and will look after each other as we have all heard from the older generation who lived through the Blitz in WW2. I would say to all on here, if we do have a good cold spell, enjoy it but keep an eye out for the venerable and a quick 5mins clearing a path or just knocking on their door to see all is okay will go a long way to help those who may need it. Lets all look forward to the cold/snow

Agreed but Friday 13th has been quite persistent