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Light snow. Temp -0.9C. Max -0.4C
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I admit that this winter is considerably short of the "Premier League" of winters of say 1684, 1740, (1814, 1895?) 1947, 1962/63 and 1979. We would have to have a prolonged freeze up of shattering proportions to get in there, starting next week and lasting into mid March. But I think we are comfortably mid table of "Championship" winters along with say 39/40, 81/82, 85/86 and a few others people will remind me of - the sort of 1 in 25 year winters rather than the 1 in 50-100 year variety.
Having said that, it may be classed as an SPL winter, seen as it has been the coldest since 1914 up there, but maybe Hearts standard rather than Old Firm!
Apologies for the football analogies.
Philip Eden has posted on the UK sci, its coldest start to winter since 1981 in Scotland. More media hype I'm afraid.
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Fixed it for you.
One can't deny that it's been very cold and snowy overall, but to me the phrase "historic winter" makes me think of such luminaries as 1740, 1895, 1947 and 1963. So far this winter can be boxed in on a lower tier with the likes of 1978/79 and 1984/85, so not really historic as far as I'm concerned but certainly commanding a reasonable degree of respect! Obviously in the context of more recent lacklustre mild winters it's been a wonderful experience, but that doesn't equal "historic" for me.
Is this really just an argument of semantics?
I would place 1978/79 with the other group of winters esp for the North of the UK. The number of days snow lying was higher at several sites. Over 100 days snow lying occurred in the snowiest parts, that wasn't achieved in 47/63.
Here I've never felt conditions were that severe this winter, prolonged yes. Widespread blizzards is an element missing from this winter, so far.
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The prolonged nature of the cold spell was notable. But I never felt the conditions were particulary severe/intense. I would have much preferred a repeat of easterly events of 87/91.
Snow depths weren't a great deal more than last year, there was actually less drifting. The truely severe winters as 78/79 were in a different league to this spell.
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Snow cover still 80/90% here. 5 weeks on Weds morning of continous snow cover at 0900z.
Mark
Teesdale
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The rain has turned to snow here now in the last hour.
I would think places a bit higher up (Tucco?) will be getting a real pasting at the moment especially with the strength of the wind.
The wind has decreased here over the pasted few hours. Southerly never than strong here, the only direction we have some shelter.
Temp 0.4C moderate snow odd heavier burst.
Mark
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2 foot snowfalls have fallen in the past, Okehampton in Devon saw 50cms not that far off 2 feet fall in 24 hours only last Feb I seem to recall.
However, in recent winters we have not seen many snowfalls deliver more than a foot (noted that some places last week saw over a foot though).
For 2 feet falls you either need a stalling front, slow moving low pressure and associated fronts or a very deeply disturbed convective easterly aiding those infamous streamers. Polar lows can deliver trifling amounts of snow, but they are rare beasts. Channel lows can deliver huge totals in southern parts. In the past warm fronts from the SW bumping into cold air have deliver 2 feet falls to much of the SW and S Wales, this occured in Feb 78.
The Okehampton figure of 55cm was achieved from several falls of snow. The figure has to be questioned anway, its not mention in the Meto review of the event.
The last single event 2ft fall was the S Scotland snowstorm of Feb 2001. The conditions were far more severe than anthing seen since.
50/60cm combined with subzero temps and winds up to 70 mph.
http://www.carnwath.org.uk/snow.html
Mark
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Probably not as cold as 1981/2 or 85/6, and not as much snow as we had in one or two dumpings in 1991, but for persistant and often deep snow cover stretching to 29 days now, this is the snowiest cold spell since 1979, simple as that.
For Teesdale 85/86 was a more prolonged cold spell with longer snow cover. Depths were greater in 95/96, 91,87 plus early 80's.
The 1979 cold/snow was a different league to this spell.
Low Etherly at a modest height of 155m asl had 62 days consective snow cover.
Mark
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Snow lying here a day earlier. Snowfell overnight on the 15/16th with full cover at 0900z on the 16th. Snow level was around 250/300m that morning falling through the day as the air turned colder.
Mark
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2/3cm more cm's here. Freezing fog. Temp -1.8C, after another ice day.
Mark
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The A and B roads are ok, although the B road from Appleby to Tebay, which goes over Orton Scar has ridges of frozen slush on them which really send you sliding if you hit them. Of course, this is only a danger when milk tankers are coming the other way, because as everyone knows, milk tankers are the most important vehicles on the road and mustn't ever be delyaed by such things as slowing down or pulling over slightly.
The road from Asby is still snow covered in places, with other places having the ridges of frozen slush, but this morning, there was the added problem of black ice on everything. We did get a delivery of grit from the county council yesterday, delivered by a bolting horse. The road from Murton, where my parents are is passable, but they had another Helm on Monday and with 5ft drifts at the side, it wouldn't take much for it to shut again.
I hear the A66 is still shut, which I find amazing! I imagine the roads up your way are worse though, as you had much more snow?
I've only managed 5 ice days this month, although all but one of the other maximums has been below 2º. My average daily maximum is currently running at -0.5º and my average daily minimum is currently at -7.5º giving me a mean temp so far this month of -4.0º.
A66 is shut mainly because of the appauling management of the road by Ameymouchel. There was more snow in the winter in Jan/Feb 1996 the road was only closed for a couple of days.
I real affort was made to keep the road open by the local crews from Kirkby Stephen and Bowes. Ameymouchel should be ashamed in their pathetic response.
A factor must be the amount of grit the A66 would take to keep it open due to blowing snow and ice. When its closed the can save grit.
If the cold weather does return next week, road conditions across the country could be dire.
Mark
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Sub-zero and snowing lightly here this morning. Very lightly, but giving a dusting to the roofs and pavements again.
Now reached the 28th consecutive day with lying snow, and still have complete cover in the garden. Some of the fields, as I drive to work, are showing a bit of green though, but I guess that's temporarily been brought to a halt.
Looks like your snow cover has just got to last over the weekend to survive until the next cold spell.
What are the road conditions like in the Eden Valley?
mark
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I've just got to Consett, the main roads don't seem too bad the way I came, but we were driving slow. The roads down to and in our industrial estate are thick black ice, almost impossible to even walk on.
I didn't see any crashes but Marky Mark on the radio said there had been multiple accidents especially in Consett.
Take care out there!
Glaze/ice on nearly all surfaces. Fresh SE winds low cloud. Temp -2.2C
Across other threads netweather and other forums, never heard as many reports of accidents across the country.
Mark
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Nearly got an another ice day here, max 0.1ºC
Currently -0.9ºC
light snow at times, some drifting.
Mark
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I'm only 7 miles from Shap as the crow flies so we're always going to be fairly similar. I think the Met Office weather station is actually outside Shap in a place called Wet Sleddale, but it's close enough!
Nice temp OON. Sheltered parts of Eden Valley could be lower still, the topography is ideal for frost hollows.
Mark
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Cant see any respite from the cold in the model output for the forseeable future even if the 850 mbs temps will slowly moderate for a few days as the surface temps are extremely low here and over in the continent and as the air and surface winds will be blowing from an easterly direction over ice and snow it will be bitterly cold especially in the windier south of the Uk! Anyway talking of cold at my weather station its currently minus 12.3c ,exceptionally cold :lol: :lol:
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs845.gif
Windchill combined with snowfall/drifting withsub zero temperature is a rare combination for most on this forum.
Actually think the strongest wind speeds with be recorded at Warcop Range in Cumbria in the lee of the Pennines. In the 1987 easterly it recorded a gust of 74mph in sub zero temps.
Mark
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Not down to -20, but a new record low for me as it dropped to -13.3C about half an hour ago. Currently, it's -12.8C.
To get near to -20C you'll need deep powder snow. Appleby got down to -20C in Jan 1940 with such conditions.
Mark
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Really, oh well still been a good winter so far here but cannot help but feel a little dissapointed some how, I think its seeing other parts of north east and central and southern parts of the country getting battered by the snow.
I thought this spell may have beaten the best spell I have ever seen regarding snow amounts and that was back in ( if I remember ) it was late October/early november 1991/92 it snows consistanly for a week here, we were even off school for a couple of days.
but this current spell seems to be peetering out on us.
November 1992/93 were both cold months.
Mark
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We had perhaps an inch here overnight, and it's snowing hard at the moment, but most of the Eden Valley wouldn't have got anything I don't think. However, the current band of showers seems to have spread itself out west a bit more, so perhaps even Carlisle might get something?!
Must be bad in Carlisle already, because a lot of Carlisle schools have been closed for today. :wub:
Mark
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Checking right now, there's a band of showers to my north east which might hit me in about half an hour.
A friend phoned up last night when it was snowing and he reckoned we could many inches. I secretly looked at the radar and estimated it would only last about 20 minutes. It stopped 20 minutes later, He now thinks I'm a wizard.
Maybe you are?
How much snow in the Eden Valley?
Mark
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Looking at last night's radar, all the showers seemed to die out just a few miles from me. The prediction suggests some might reach me this morning, but probably not if last night was anything to go by.
EDIT - I've just pulled back the curtains and it's snowing, so I'll shut-up!
As the wind increases and the Easterly develops on Fri/Sat the shrs will have a better chance of making it across the Pennines.
Mark
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Low pressure off coast is shown on latest fax as is trough to our North.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/bracka.gif
Mark
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A good heavy snow shower here,biggish flakes too
Send it here
Mark
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I think its the new Sunderland based radar thats gone on the blink. Should be back soon.
Mark
Will 2009/2010 Be An Historic Winter?
in Spring Weather Discussion
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95/96 was a great winter in the North. Perhaps the cold wasn't as prolonged as this winter, but there several memberable severe events. True blizzard conditions in late Jan and again in early Feb, something that hasn't occurredhere yet this winter. In terms of snow days lying here we will need about another 20 days lying snow to beat 95/96. This would need a good few cold spells over the next few months. The classic winters 47/63/79 had widespread blizzards something that hasn't occurred yet. Indeed blizzard conditions have been very limited.