jonboy

Really I know this is aimed at me. At what point in my posts have I denied warming is taking place. You and others should take the time to properly read my posts. They relate only to the extreme heat events in the last 12 months or less and the excessive rainfall and snowfall also occurring at the same time. I have offered an alternative explanation that has some science behind it yet you and others have gone out of you way to call me a denier flat earther and worse. At least I have an open mind that is will to look at alternatives so who are the real deniers I wonder.

A few quotes from a paper Jane J. Lee and Andrew Wang of the Jet Propulsion Lab at NASA 'The huge amount of water vapor hurled into the atmosphere, as detected by NASA’s Microwave Limb Sounder, could end up temporarily warming Earth’s surface.' 'In the study, published in Geophysical Research Letters, Millán and his colleagues estimate that the Tonga eruption sent around 146 teragrams (1 teragram equals a trillion grams) of water vapor into Earth’s stratosphere – equal to 10% of the water already present in that atmospheric layer.' ' After the Tonga volcano erupted, the MLS team started seeing water vapor readings that were off the charts. “We had to carefully inspect all the measurements in the plume to make sure they were trustworthy,” said Millán.' 'This extra water vapor could influence atmospheric chemistry, boosting certain chemical reactions that could temporarily worsen depletion of the ozone layer. It could also influence surface temperatures. Massive volcanic eruptions like Krakatoa and Mount Pinatubo typically cool Earth’s surface by ejecting gases, dust, and ash that reflect sunlight back into space. In contrast, the Tonga volcano didn’t inject large amounts of aerosols into the stratosphere, and the huge amounts of water vapor from the eruption may have a small, temporary warming effect, since water vapor traps heat. The effect would dissipate when the extra water vapor cycles out of the stratosphere and would not be enough to noticeably exacerbate climate change effects' Fermin Koop writing in Geophysical Research letters estimated the water vapor ejected by Hunga Tonga could take between 5 and 10 years to leave the stratosphere. You write off the effects of the eruption as if it has no consequence. All to often the go to excuse for weather events is CO2 induced climate change when clearly other factors are at play and explain better the extreme events we are seeing at present. I am not talking about cold pockets I'm talking about the heat pockets and excess rain pockets that are travelling around our globe

And you clearly don't understand water vapor. Perhaps you would like to chat with NASA scientists who predicted this. Water Vapor is by far the most potent warming element in our atmosphere. What has changed significantly in the last 18 months water vapor in the stratosphere.

They do not align with the warming global climate they are far too extreme to fit that paradigm. The science also doesn't stack up something else is at play to cause these pockets of excess heat and rainfall. CO2 being pretty constant over the last few years cannot be the cause. So not in complete denial just following the science!!

Agree sleepy. What people aren't doing is looking at the cause of these extremes they just go co2 driven climate change when it's clearly not. This is water vapour in the stratosphere driven as a result of hunga tonga. Back to normal in a couple of years.

Indian summer 13.0 and 105mm of rain please

There needs to a scientific explanation for these pockets of extreme heat and extreme rainfall. CO2 levels doesn't do it for me because these are pretty constant over the last few years with minor percentage movement. Whereas the levels of lower stratospheric water vapour are significantly higher. We know water vapour is a significant warmer and we know the natural water cycle doesn't put water vapour into the stratosphere. I expect another year or so of these extremes before normal service is resumed. As I have said before expect significant snow falls this coming winter

I liken sea ice to ice in a glass of water. If left alone the ice in your glass will melt but it won't make the water higher as it replaces the displacement like for like. So for seas to rise because of ice melt that has to come from land ice not sea ice.

Toyota have a great hydrogen car that's the future not EV's. But you can't make as much profit from generating the energy so it won't happen!!

Good to see the optimism rather than the pessimism in the other thread

Just now on the outskirts of York

No the main reason is the added 15 to 20% of water vapour by hunga tonga. That water vapour is concentrated in pockets of towards 50% extra not in the troposphere but often in the stratosphere

I can't see how anyone can remotely predict this winter given the extraordinary weather around the globe whether its extreme heat exceptionally cold or excessive rain fall none of which were remotely predicted. My only prediction will be if it snows then that snowfall will be very heavy no light snow showers this winter.

It was storm Daniel and affected not only Greece but Turkey and Bulgaria.

No MIA parts of Greece have received over 500mm of rain in the last 24 hrs

I've been going to Scarborough for the better part of 60 years!! It was always our first choice of 2 weeks holiday. I remember us getting to trafalgar Square in time to watch the world cup final in 66. Watching some greats at North Marine Rd and now staying in the apartments where the corner cafe was. It was always the North bay rather than the south

It's been rammed all week with camper vans but little or no surfing activity as its been so calm. Let's hope for more surf come the end of September when the UK surfing competition comes to Scarborough

Sorry your photo showed an empty beach hence my tongue in cheek comment. We were there the last week and I understand a pod of 50 dolphins were off north bay earlier today.

They're all at the cricket WT!!

Real Madrid have refurbished their stadium which includes a retractable roof . First home game last night was played with it closed because of the intensity of the rain

New moon in Scarborough tonight

14.9 and 49mm please

No it's not some are a natural consequence of a warming world but the vast majority that have occurred this year their intensity and sheer volume is down to hunga tonga and the 10 to 15% increase in total budget of water vapour injected into the stratosphere. This is not spread evenly across the planet so some areas may see water vapour 20 or 30% above normal at a level not usually associated with the normal water vapour cycle. This has led to the excess totals and much of the flooding we see at present and I would argue much of the excess heat pockets we are seeing this year is also down to this. The climate change theories cannot explain theses events at the present concentration of co2

you missed a very important one excessive rainfall causing minor to major flooding events worldwide

I tend to agree with you MIA. The greatest green house 'gas' is water vapour and when hunga tonga erupted 18 months ago it added some 10 to 15% to the world budget. However this doesn't mean that is evenly spread around the world but over time it has formed into large 'pockets ' which has had 2 effects. Firstly it has led to the excessive rainfall. A prime example is what's happening in california right now, and secondly the large pockets of excessive heat that we have seen. Our weather patterns have become unpredictable not because of co2 but because of water vapour. I expect it will take a further 2 or 3 years before our atmospheric conditions return to a more normal state. In the meantime expect to see some exceptional snow fall totals this coming winter