mushymanrob

what?.... the programme showed us the facts, the facts that clearly demonstrated that we have next to no impact on the climate.. i dont know what bit of the programme was 'rubbish, wrong, extreme'.. it was clearly explained science to me.

not actually what he said... he said that when mainstream greenpeace issues were taken up by politicians then they had to resort to more extreme issues in order to still be a voice of descent... typical of 'green' pressure groups (of which i am affiliated ) i too am now doubting (seriously) their intentions. it seems that many green issues are in fact based on incomplete science.. abit like t6he idiots who thought they were doing good by releasing mink into the environment.... I'm not happy, in fact I'm quite sad.. QUOTE(parmenides3 @ 8 Mar 2007, 11:52 PM) Evening all. No surprise; nobody has changed their mind about anything much, it seems. My opinion? At first I thought it was clever, but after a while it got repetitive and I gave up, because the material was all so familiar. What I did watch contained carefully phrased sentences which did not say what they appeared to, quotations which had no proper context, so may or may not have been what the people were actually referring to, cherry-picks from wherever they could be found, blatantly deceptive graphs based on old or incomplete research/data, and overexaggerated claims of conspiracies and vested interests which were no more than opinions. Almost every image and sentence was a carefully constructed deception or misrepresentation. I don't expect the doubters to agree with me, or even to care what I think. I don't expect the AGWers to be fooled for an instant. I certainly have neither the time nor the desire to go over the same material for the thousand and oneth time to 'prove' AGW. Does anyone remember the Hitler diaries? That one sold a lot of newspapers. but the facts are still there to be cross checked at every oportunity... co2 FOLLOWS warming, it doesnt cause it... that is the salient point, plus, man only contributes less then 0'5% of co2 emissions... those are the scientific facts that are being overlooked. (by the pro- 'man is guilty' mob)

totally agree assuming the facts given out last night were the truth (and its pretty certain they were) and therefore man isnt responsable for gw, i still dont think we should pollute our 'great mother'.. id hate it if our inconsequence regarding gw would be used as a charter to pollute.

fascinating programme that fully explained that we do not effect the climate (significantly anyway). ive always argued that the climate has ALWAYS varied, this was fully demonstrated in this documentary, and has done without any help from mankind! as the amount of carbon emmissions that we pour out is only less then 0.5%, then how tf are we responsable? science demonstrated that carbon rises inn the atmosphere followed temperature rises that occured in correlation with solar activity. until any new science based facts arise, im happy to blame global warming on the sun! lol.

..... so of us expected a very mild winter, after all, it was only a matter of time in this age of gw before a record warm, or near record warm winter would occur.. although i dont like it too cold, id sooner have a winter then not...

things are looking to me like a pretty 'normal' february type run. february can often be dominated by no strong synoptic, giving us alot of cool, grey weather. snowlovers dont get greedy, youve just had your dose for this decade! lol.

hmm..... im still not convinced that this event will be one at all, other then a fleeting frustrating glimps of snow that wont settle for long if at all, of course those at higher altitude have more chance..

surely to god that wouldnt be good for snow!... itll all melt and be gone.. seeing snow is one thing, having it settle and stay is another,, im still sticking with 'ill believe it when i see it'.. im FAR from convinced that this coming event will be a widespread snow event. my prediction?... mass frustration that many wont see settling snow.

morning kold.. yeah i might be wrong, but i think that air would have warmed up abit, cold-yes, but dry and that trough looks too shallow enough to produce much precipitation on its leading edge. but its all semantics. lets just see!

thats not a good chart, the air is scourced too far south so im not sure itll be that cold but even if it was it'd be dry. interestingly, the more those lows sink into france the longer the cold spell will last which draws in the cold air longer on the easterly which should highten the eventual snow risk. surface temps of 3c or above just isnt good enough for settlement, ive seen snow melt on freezing ground so for a decent dumping id be looking at sub-zero temps for any snow to be of any use. ps... louise leer just said 'we are confident of some disruptive snow on thursday for southern england'..... erm, that supports the models? (lol tenuous topic connection)

actually, if that ukmo 120 chart came off, it would also be likely that this cold spell would extend for several days at least... we might not be looking at a one chance snow event but several as the mild tries again to push back in...

i was being frivolous.... yes id like a decent dumping, but im far from convinced that this 1 chart will be the actual one that transpires.

sorry i disagree that hes a mild ramper... ive never seen him, or anyone ramp up mild weather as much as the snow lovers ramp up snow.... ok so snow is a rare event, but ramping is ramping. imho west posts honestly, he says what he sees and not what he wants to see.

no ones been caught out yet..... and wib's comments were perfectly correct imho given the charts at that time. id suggest calming down, that ukmo is pretty alone atm and saturday is a long long way off... especially with so much uncertainty

the ukmo is a joke ... i hope ...lol

indeed...my flo records everything...

lol.. i take onboard the points made re the evolution.. true, im not out of the woods yet! and i am nervous because i want to go metal detecting on saturday, i can do that if its snowy! the anticyclones to the north do worry me, a large scandi high wouldnt be welcome with me and it is a possible outcome later on...

tbh i think they are just saying that to cover themselves in the (remote) event of a major dumping... or even a minor one (lol...london!) ... should occur. actually they arnt that good, those charts far from convince me that there will be much snow about, except for the highland areas.

im expecting the temps to rise though as the front comes in, i agree its a classic frontal snow chart but im not expecting much if anything. if it doesnt settle it doesnt count! lol.

oh sorry let me clarify... i was only quoting you from the 'good chart' point.... i dont think it is for snow... the rest was a general take on some points raised on the previous runs, not aimed at you TEITS..... i only use the gfs and fax, partly because of time restraints and partly because im of the opinion that viewing too many outputs can confuse things... picking and chosing which run to promote depending upon what various people want to see. i havnt the interest, time or knowlege to analise all the various outputs but i do have the greatest respect for those of you who do. i base my comments on experience after watching with interest synoptic charts for 40 years.

is it?... i dont see any snow on that run for the bulk of the uk, higher ground as ever being the exception.. this run equates to a plume in summer missing the uk by a few miles and hitting the low countries northward. so near but so far. although yesterdays runs showed easterlies, channel lows, etc they just hadnt got the same deep rooted scource as the famous charts of the 80's had. rampers look like they have been guilty yet again jumping the gun, seeing /interpreting what they want to see. id love a blizzard, a proper dumping... but hey, im old enough to know that when it comes to snow events its never in the can until it actually snows, especially in this day and age.

i think west is right, looking at only the 00z gfs and according to the 850's snow will be a rare event this week. the trouble is with ramping, people tend to believe it as fact, and lose sight of realism. it wouldnt surprise me at all if the subsequent model runs are closer to the 00z then last yesterdays runs. even now the beeb are predicting temps of 3-5c, talking about 'the possibility of sleet ans snow'... that says to me that if it snows, itll be wet mushy stuff that will not settle over most of the lowland uk. if it doesnt settle, its barely worth it imho ps although a mild preferer, id like a good decent blizzard,... anything else though just isnt worth the inconveiniance imho.

ill get excited when its in the bag dave... exactly like i do in summer when a 30c spanish plume is expected. otherwise ill keep cool.

well said, my thoughts entirely.

snow on northern hills maybe, i see nothing in any chart that even comes close to blizzards.