mushymanrob

yay!...we agree! lol.. unfortunately as i want heat! bottesford:- 25c must come? tbh it wouldnt surprise me if september recorded our highest years temperature, as the pattern is set for some time and it doesnt include anything settled and sunny.

wheres summer?....

heatwave this summer?.... .

i take you point

i too would call 25c hot, you are lucky! looking at the latest gfs.... im not so sure that the cet sun-thurs next week wont be as low as 15c... they look awfully cool charts and the nights will be cool too..... but ill avoid exceter just in case!

im not so sure it the 'odd max's missed out here and there', i think its possibly much more widespread. i also think that the loss of max's is remarkable in this current time where gw seems to be rampant. tbh richard, im with teits here finding it amazing, and somewhat baffling that we could end june, a warm june, without a 'hot spell' . much cooler junes have produced a few 'hot' days consecutavely, countrywide too. i too would like to see some stats regarding this years maxs, maybe a new thread asking for them would be in order!

i think thats obvious, with messy synoptics you get messy weather, some getting lucky and others missing out... its obviously frustrating if you want some sun/heat and others get it but not you!

alot of us havnt seen 25c let alone 30c.

lol i agree... a week ago things were bone dry!

gawd not another '85 please.... we didnt get 25c until OCTOBER 1st!!!!!!

when i was younger (late 60's early 70's) it seemed that every year we had a superb storm. these followed a similar pattern. the breeze was southeasterly, the sky darkend in the southwest, we could hear thunder in the distance, the storm was moving northwards, it always seemed to hit my west first, as if the storm line was on at an angle as it moved north, soon we could see the base of the cloud with a dramatic updraft in front of it, when the grey base was over us that when torrential rain and frequent thunder and lightening occured. this lasted around an hour to an hour and a half, afterwards the storm cleared and the sun came out! no lingering grey murk... and the east was the last place to get it as it moved north. there was one of these on either 31st july or 1st august 1972, and one on a saturday in mid september 1973. only very rarely have i seen storms like this since the mid 70's... pity... they were my fav forms and seemed like an annual event back then.

this highlights the reason why those championing the CET being above normal are wrong about their equasion the high CET = good summer! a high CET means absolutely nothing if theres no sunshine and an occassional hot spell.

oh for a deep southeasterly! lol

in fairness the question was asked asking for our opinions and not for a definitive answer which of course as you say couldnt be given. i think theres plenty on here with enough experience to take an educated guess, but thats all it would be, a guess.

happen so, but metereologically it isnt summer in september!

thats a useful index, i hope others see it and take on board just how dissapointing june has been... for some, given that gw should make summers better!

it seems that evertime it thunders everyone says 'did you see that terrific storm'?.. but most of thundr isnt associated with an actual 'storm' is it? what is the difference between 'rain accompanied by thunder', (thundery rain)... 'thundery showers', and 'thunderstorms'? ... i think its pretty self explanitory but i was wondering if there is a definitive meterological discription...

please...... NO ONE HAS EVER SAID 'SUMMER IS OVER'.. except the people who are habitually mis-quoting others . I on the other hand have said that MAYBE things dont look as good as they did earlier in the year.. patterns.... its all about synoptic patterns, and as we approach mid month theres no sign of a pattern change that will deliver more normal summer conditions. true, the messy synoptics of late has favoured some, others though have suffered persistent cloud. this isnt normal summer weather. so with nothing at the moment showing for june, thats a third of the summer gone. theres nothing to suggest that the messy synoptic pattern will change although fi for weeks has been suggesting it, it never becomes reality. so will things change for july?.... maybe... the truth is that we just dont know. august 2005 and 2006 were poor, IF august 2007 follows suit then theres precious little time or scope for 'real' summer to start. of course we are living in a time of global warming so i dont think anybody expects cold weather.... but cloudy, wet, most probably, sunny hot?... could be! it all depends upon what you call 'summer weather' really. to me a normal summer would be one of a recuring around 3 weeks swesterly followed by a week or so of settled hot sunny weather ending in a thundery breakdown... THAT to me is a 'summer'. anything extra in the heat/sun department is a bonus!

the first few days of june '75 were cold, i didnt see snow but at my altitude it is unlikely anyway. the first week of june i was working outdoors and monday i was in full winter gear... by friday i was topless! a rise of 4c a day from 4c to 24c in 5 days!... but i liked june 75, especially the thundery period late on. ive said all along that im a weather fan... not exclusively for heat, but a long cold period wouldnt be nice for me, ive worked outdoors in it and its put me off it now...getting too old...lol.. a short period of very cold weather per winter would be nice, dec 81, jan 82 were perfect... my ideal winter..

january..... 1982.. cold at first but then it went, and stayed away february.....1980.. the best bartlett month nice and mild march........ 1995.. a nice normal month april........... 2007.. pipped '90 ... glorious! may........... 1970... plenty of early heat and thunder june........... 1975... superb for sun and heat july............ 2006.... the perfect july, but lacking thunderstorms. august........ 1995... heat with thunderstorms september... 1973.. the best thunderstorm here . october....... 2003... nice weather november....1995... still retaining its warmth december.... 1981... the perfect winter month, lots of snow early in the winter.

totally impossible to give anything like an accurate forecast for that date this far off... 4 weeks odd?.. anything would be a pure guess and would be utterly worthless. suggest you try again in early june

many thanks for shareing your pics with us, id love to see storms like that but doubts that ill ever get to america, so seeing these pics are a good substitute!

splendid post johnholmes , nice to see all the factors being considered .

ive got several, some i dont prune at all leaving them to form small trees, others i cut back anytime after flowering over winter (filling my brown bin over several months), or i cut them right down... around now. tbh theres no hard and fast rule, those i pruned in october flower just the same as those i cut now or those i dont prune... i very rarely have had any trouble with frosts but even if they do kill the tips... they do grow back! the old notion that gardening is governed by hard and fast rules is basically... bull! lol, (im a proffessional gardener of 34 years)

alot has been pontificated about the amount of carbon being released into the atmosphere by any means on a daily basis.... ive not seen anyone mentioning the amount of carbon taken out of the atmosphere daily by photosynthesis, which would increase in temperate zones during warmer weather.. complain?.... congratulate more like... weather or not you agree with the content many of the facts as presented by it go unchallenged... people are still overlooking the fact that the earths climate has always fluctuated, mainly by people who think that the last 200 years or so of accurate measurements are the norm...lol.. of course 200 years is only a tenth of two thousand years and nothing since the begining of time. what caused warming in roman times? in early medieval times? and the cooling in the 'little ice age'?.. these factors have to be taken into account because temperature variability has happend many times without mans interferance.