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On 24/08/2023 at 16:20, Thundery wintry showers said:
2010 was also the first instance that sprung to my mind. In June 2010 the solstice itself fell in a transition period between a northerly blast and a spell of generally warm dry sunny weather with occasional thundery outbreaks, but certainly the warm sunny weather was firmly established for most by the 22nd, when it reached 27C in the Norwich area (where I was) and 25C in the Tyne and Wear area. In both 2009 and 2010, 21 December fell right in the middle of a notable cold and, for many, snowy spell.
Another that springs to mind is 1995 - that famously hot dry sunny summer kicked off on 21 June, and late December 1995 was generally cold, especially after Christmas, and snowy for some around the 21st and around Christmas. That year is also a double match, for while December 1994 was generally mild and changeable, there was a spell of cold sunny frosty weather in the week leading up to Christmas.
I can think of some lesser/more debatable examples. For instance 1999, which had a fine spell around 23-26 June followed by thunder, and both 1998 and (especially) 1999 saw brief cold snaps around 19-21 December. Its rarity is dependent on how widely one defines "seasonal" but I think it's hard to argue with 1995 or 2010.
I've just checked the exact dates of the solstices and temperatures (looking at the Shawbury records); since 1973 there have been only two winter solstices when the temperature didn't rise above freezing here. One, unsurprisingly, was 2010 (21 Dec); incredibly the other was 1994 (22 Dec). 1995 missed it, solstice was the 22nd which was much warmer than the 21st (9.4 vs 0.9, I remember those couple of mild days between the two cold spells) 1992 came close with a max of 0.5 and 1981 1.0C. In both 1994 and 1995 it warmed up just after the summer one, so 2010 with a max of 23.2 on summer solstice day is definitely the one for seasonal weather at both. A lot of the time the solstices seem to be just before, just after or in between "seasonal" spells.
I've also found a year when both solstices were notably cold- 1982. June 21st (solstice) had a very poor maximum of 13.7C and 11.9mm of rain, followed by an even worse 13.2C and 17mm on the 22nd. Then right on cue there was a short but sharp cold snap at the winter one. Maximum fell from 10.8 on the 21st to 1.3 on the 22nd, solstice day, then it fell to -9.3 overnight, 3C max on 23rd and 10.4 on 24th.
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More rain this morning, that's all of July and August without a completely dry weekend. None since 3rd-4th June in fact. That never happened during the 07-12 period.
This summer is pushing for the dullest July/Aug combination on record as well:
2010 221.8 hours, 1957 224.3, 2008 225.0; 2023 so far 213.7.
1957 seems to have been 2023 on steroids- June was the sunniest on record and still is, May was also sunnier and drier than normal. Then July and August (and September) were horribly wet and dull, though that year August was wetter than July instead.
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Cloud, cloud, cloud again.... these last few days have had a lot more of it than forecast, with 21C temps instead of the forecast 24, and they haven't been totally dry either. While July was a 2007-12 type summer month, this month reminds me of several 1998-2005* summer months; somewhat warmer and drier generally but often very cloudy, humid feeling without lengthy dry spells and usually at best brief spells of 25C+ temperatures. And the annoying feeling that it would get warm if the sun could come out properly.
*2003 was neither sunny nor especially dry round here
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On 13/08/2023 at 15:00, lassie23 said:
Have you considered wintering in Vietnam?
Hanoi - Wikipedia
EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORGCheck out the climate in winter there. It's shockingly cool and dull for that latitude (Feb and Mar are duller on average than here!)
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23 minutes ago, Don said:
That's at the top of Nescliffe Hill isn't it? I went there two weeks ago.
No, it's Grinshill. Although Nesscliffe is in the picture (it's the hill with trees on towards the left)
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Stayed sunny here all day for once and up to 26C. Can clearly see the boundary with the cloud over Wales in the distance
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Almost totally cloudy here since about 10-11am, was some blue earlier but not completely cloudless. Total waste of warmer air
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On 06/08/2023 at 10:15, Summer8906 said:
Indeed, 2005/6 was the best of a bad lot. Perhaps the only winter under Tony Blair in which all three months were average or slightly below.
For point of clarification, this is a comment on the winter weather, and not the politics.
Maybe do Parliaments instead of PMs (who keep changing without an election?)
1997-2001 stands out for its poor weather; 3 of the 4 winters were nearly snowless and there was only one really decent summer month (July 1999). Excessive rain and flooding were a constant feature of that one.
2015-17 also had a lot of rubbish especially in the winter. The sunny June of 2015 (election was in May); decent enough May, hot spell in July, thunder in Sept and that crazy wind in Nov in 2016 were all that stood out.
2010-2015 stands out for its variety, months and seasons at all times of year varied from brilliant to terrible in that one.
The brief 2017-2019 one had loads of interesting weather; the snow of winter 17/18, the summer of 2018 and the record warm days in February and July of 2019, then it ended with the very wet autumn of 2019 (but the really awful Feb 2020 was in the next one).
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40 minutes ago, Don said:
Yep, the nights drawing in will soon be noticeable up here!
Somebody must have told you by now, they start drawing in after the Shrewsbury flower show
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Last completely dry weekend here?
3rd/4th June. That's 8 weeks ago. Not sure even 2007 or 2012 managed a run like that!
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Can anyone on here remember July 1965? That seems to have been an absolute disaster of a summer month around these parts- Shawbury had a mean max of 17.4C, 119mm of rain and 104 hours of sunshine. Not as dull as 2010 or as wet as 2007, 2012 and potentially 2023, but that combination of cold, wet and dull surpasses any July, including 1988 (which had a very poor 17.8 C, 102mm- less than 2023, and a surprising 154 hours, nearly twice what 2010 had). I don't think I've seen it mentioned in Historic Weather or anywhere else on here. Was it as bad across the country?
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Rain most of the day again here, a lot of that horrid stuff that looks and feels like drizzle but is actually as wet as "normal" rain. Temp has gone up to 18C (wow, it's July) since the main band passed.
Something I'm keeping an eye on: July 2023 hasn't had a single pressure reading of 1020mb or above round here. Or anywhere in the UK except some far southern parts. (edit: and Shetland, oddly. When it was north of one of the lows presumably). And the charts don't show any until the morning of Aug 1st (long way off for charts I know). From what records I can find, to not exceed 1020 would be unprecedented here in July for at least 40 years, probably longer. 1988 and 2007 managed it
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2 minutes ago, Summer8906 said:
I think unless the forecasts change it's extremely likely that July 2023 will be considerably worse than 2012. Remember that was half-decent after the 19th and featured a particularly good few days from around the 22nd-27th.
As for 2007, not sure. That month had three settled days at the end of the month, so if this doesn't happen, it could be argued that the month will be worse even than 2007. That year also had scattered sunny days earlier in the month, e.g. 16th, 18th, 22nd and 24th.
For sunshine and rainfall, it's so far been poor but not terrible. July 2010 (which was warmer) is in a league of its own for lack of sunshine round here, an atrocious 86 hours which has nearly been reached this month. For rainfall it's above average so far but not exceptionally so, though a few wet days could change that.
The lowest absolute maximum for the second half of July since 1988 is 20.8 in 2009- having fallen just short yesterday (20.7 according to the synop) that one could fall if the forecasts of 17-19 right through till the end of the month come off.
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Days 21C or above at Shawbury in "poor" Julys:
2020- 5
2015- 7
2012- 7
2009- 7
2007- 6
1998- 4
1993- 10
1988- 0
2023 so far; 4, and the forecast is 17/18/19 every day for at least the next week. Average max for 91-20 is 21.1, and 20.9 for 81-10 so 21 is bang average over the two periods. No escaping it, this month has been poor and could well end up worse than any of the 07-12 lot on this measure (all the others in that spell had at least 10). 2020 really was dire until the last couple of days.
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It's remarkable how rare it is for June to be warmer than July by the CET. Even in the many years when June has clearly felt like the warmer of the two months it just doesn't seem to happen, though June warmer than August seems to be a bit more common. Last time was 1970 for June warmer than July.
Compare the winter equivalent, December colder than January, which was almost becoming the norm for a time in the 90s and early 00s and is still quite frequent now.
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I really can't think of a summer whose defining feature was a crap July in between a decent June and August. 1988 and 2009 both other months were nowhere near as bad but I wouldn't call them good, just better than July in both cases.
On the other hand, crap July and August after good June (and often at least part of May)- that has happened a few times that I remember. 2017, 2010, 2004 (sort of; August was very warm though dull and wet), 1992- hate to say it but this summer is beginning to remind me of that one. June was hot with a few thunderstorms, July was poor except it had a better final week, then August was atrocious.
This doesn't bode well for August unfortunately unless 2023 can be that strange year mentioned in the first paragraph!
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1 hour ago, Optimus Prime said:
2010, a very chilly year overall but had a warm sunny June & July. Disappointing August but the summer as a whole was a decent one.
July 2010 certainly wasn't sunny! By far the dullest on record round here, even duller than August 2008... June was decent but the rest of the summer was a shocker. Almost unrelenting cloudfest.
1996 was the best example I remember, gave it a brief mention on the warm years with poor summers page as the opposite. 1991 I'd say counts as well, CET of 9.5C with 2 months above 17C, despite a cold June (I remember July and August being pretty good).
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2002 and 2011 were definitely the first years that came to mind, particularly 2011 (all three summer months colder than average, in one of the warmest years on record...). I think the warm thundery Augusts in 2004 and 2020 disqualify those years, even though the summers certainly qualified on the dull and wet front.
2014 was far too good a summer, I actually rate it better than 2013 round here as two months were predominantly dry, warm and sunny although with no spectacularly high temperatures. 1998 and 2000 you could make a case for; but not 1999 (brilliant July) or 2001 (not a warm year, and summer wasn't as bad as 1998 or 2000).
1996 stands out for the opposite, a decent summer in a cold year, the anti-2011.
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2 minutes ago, Don said:
Shrewsbury had snow on the ground for 10 days straight?!
Just occasionally it can happen, if that mysterious effect that causes rain/sleet/non-sticking snow or being bone dry round here, while it snows and sticks at the same or lower height outside a 15-30 mile radius (often the borders of Shropshire more or less) can be blasted away to affect somewhere else. That's the main issue...
Regarding June 2023, the highest temp here was 28C with many days around 24-26 so I would agree with that, I'm not sure if it was the hottest June locally. It was consistently warm for me, a nice month except the final 5 days. 30C+ temps round here seem to happen almost exclusively in July and the first half of August for some reason, they are very rare in June and have never happened in May or September in the last 50 years.
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The extended winter of 2012/13 had a remarkable lack of notably low minima, given the amount of low maxima, low monthly means and snowfall it had. Lowest I had all extended winter was -7C, and that didn't come in any of the snowy spells but in the foggy one in December.
Even the practically snowless winters of 1999/2000 and 1991/92 beat it on that count, the much milder 2006/07 and 2018/19 more or less equalled it, while 2001/02 hammered it (-12C during the New Year cold spell). I remember noticing it repeatedly at the time and remarking on it, how it actually didn't seem particularly cold at night even during the January spell when there was snow on the ground for 10 days straight.
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Visible here now! Not the brightest ones I've ever seen but quite a few of them. First this year
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8 minutes ago, Snowyowl9 said:
Did shrewsbury get anything..
6 cells going off here at the same time pretty outstanding few days yesterday was a lull,thunder was extremely frequent CC as I dared to go out into it..
Here 5 miles N of Shrewsbury we got sod all once again. 5 minutes of rain around 2000 after hearing thunder off to the NW about 1830, and saw a flash to the south about 2030. Probably had about 1-2mm of rain at most here in the 3 days, and nothing near a direct hit from a storm (6-7 miles in every direction).
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The Shrewsbury area anti-weather forcefield has truly surpassed itself this weekend..... humidity and bits of drizzle. 10 miles away in every direction yesterday epic storms, and again they magically deteriorated as they approached this evening. More drizzle.
That lightning strike map from last night with the hole around here.... even after 35 years in this area I find that incredible. I hope the Metoffice and national archives store it
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Yesterday... where is the hole???
And this evening we've had another 15 minutes of drizzly rain.....
And this evening we've had another 15 minutes of drizzly rain.....
Winter 2023/24 - Discussions & Forecasts
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Late December 2001 did have some snow here (not a huge amount, but the snow on 30th lasted on the ground until January 5th). And it was a very frosty, sunny and dry month.
Feb 2019 had jack all snow here, the only lying snow I had that winter was a couple of cms from Cheshire gap showers on 22nd-23rd Jan. That was quite localised, for once this area got lucky, a lot of the Midlands I think had a winter without any snow cover at all.
Four years stand out for me as having a decent June followed by a rubbish July and August:
1992 and 2015 (both preceded virtually snowless winters)
2010 and 2017 (a combination of those two Decembers would be truly epic)
You could make a case for 1993 and 2000 (June was the best month of both, not as good as 2023 but the Julys were not as bad either). They both preceded average winters with most of the snow late on (Feb in 1994 and March in 2001).