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Well after all is said and done regarding this winter those that got this winter the most correct where those who warned about last September being very warm and the likelihood of a dud of a winter. To me it adds even more weight to the argument.

Wonder is this winter very similar to the ones of the mid 70s which had little snow and plenty of high pressure.

I should have said the last number of warm Septembers seems to be 5 yr intervals starting from 01 onwards.

Seem to be in a 5 yr pattern with these very warm Septembers also. 01, 06,11 ,16 and 21. 2026..... the next one???? If so I'm already writing off the winter of 26/27 . Lol

Still think that however much the teleconnections favoured a decent chance of a good winter,we were cursed by that very warm September.

According to the ecm even the hp gets bored hanging about lol. Cant ridge north due to too much energy up there and says to hell with this lol.

Straw clutching but it has often been said here that decent cold snaps or spells can suddenly be picked up on at relatively short notice. Maybe the 6z is one of those times........ Probably not but maybe.

Would i be correct in saying next weeks high is more likely to be free of cloud then the one before Christmas? Would like to have a few nice frosts at the very least. Been few and far between at my location this winter so far.

My kids the same lol

I think a spell of prolonged cold weather is still very possible in the uk but fewer and farther between unfortunately is the trend of the last 30 odd yrs.

More then likely another winter consigned to the bin. Same old story these days......

Yet to record an air frost so far this season. My fears about this winter after the September we had is being realised......

Taking the last 25 yrs , Septembers 98,01,06,11,16 and 21 were very warm ( correct me if I'm wrong). We will see how the rest of this winter pans out but I'm not optimistic. But the years I mentioned were all followed by poor winters ( though I think se parts of England got decent cold first half of Feb 2012).

So far this season its very warm September 1 winter 0. Let's see what January brings....

5.8c and 108mm for me please

Indeed but most especially a very warm one.

Anyway its more so warm Septembers of the last 25 years or so..being more correlation

Not so. Going into this winter there were some like myself who were concerned about that very warm September. In recent decades it very rarely bodes well if its a decent winter for cold you want . Granted there's still much of the winter yet to go,but I'm not particularly optimistic. What the models were showing before Xmas and the possible cold spell, i thought maybe we might get away with it this winter after all. Well that possible spell imploded but anyway we will see what happens over the coming 2 months.........

Ecm still owes us for 2012. Hopefully it's right this time

Great that the charts aren't way out in fi as they often are .. .....

Personnely id much rather cold frosty weather then take my chances with getting rain or snow with the Atlantic poking its nose in which knowing our luck would be rain (though I wouldn't want a cloudy hp either) . Anyway I'm sure this saga will continue for a while yet. Nothing is certain.

Would rather the Atlantic stayed out of the way altogether. Too risky imo.

Wouldn't be surprised if perhaps this Xmas period and into the first week or so of Jan is the coldest part of the winter ( or one of the coldest parts),like what happened at times during the 90s and 00s..

High risk , possible high reward situation. Still rather that then zonality.

Something like a murr sausage would be lovely. I can dream.......