Nick L

A chilly, snow-starved slog.

Mine is the 27th and I've had more white birthdays than white Christmases!

Definitely noticing the days getting longer though.

Come on guys, just leave it please.

Has anyone else had enough of this winter? I don't think I've ever longed for spring so badly.

And help out a competitor? I think not

Sunday's snow event is definitely not happening as I've spent today's shift warning clients of the potential for some widespread accumulations. Sorry all.

Biden has announced he has no plans to change the travel bans any time soon, until there are hints of movement regarding that then it's curtains for this year sadly.

Indeed. A bit of front edge sleet/wet snow perhaps but it'll readily turn to rain. I certainly won't be getting up early for it!

Interesting. UKV has pretty much all of London 8-9C at the moment. Meanwhile, a site near Bletchley dropped 4C in half an hour. Such a sharp boundary.

When I lived in Oklahoma, some of the cold fronts were insane. I remember one going through in the evening that dropped temperatures from the mid-20s to single figures in minutes. Cold fronts are fascinating things, and often bring some of the most exciting weather. Meanwhile, hammering it down with rain here at the office, 9C.

Good spot! Walking between the two would transition from mild rain to cold rain

V impressive temperature gradient for the UK. Mild on one side of MK, cold on the other!

If snow is heavy enough it'll easily settle on a wet surface. It's the temperature of the surface that's most important.

I think this year is another write off. I'm certainly not even entertaining the idea. Might consider Arizona in summer though. Fingers crossed 2021 is as quiet as 2020 if we can't go

18z UKV has very much backed off the snow in northern England up to midnight on Wednesday night. The 3z had widespread snow accumulations in NE England, the 18z is the latest run to go that far and it has virtually nothing. Such a knife edge. Will be interesting to see what the 18z EC throws out.

The issue with this event is that there are so many conflicting factors coming into play. The surface conditions are actually reasonable, if marginal, east of the Pennines. With elevation you'd have a better chance, but as you go further west into the Pennines the altitude is offset by the milder uppers. Further east, you're under colder uppers, but too low down/close to the coast you've got the issue of marginal temperatures and dew points. Looking at the uppers, 925hpa temperatures on EC are far more conducive than the GFS, with the latter restricting much of the snow to the North York Moors which could get an absolute pasting. At lower levels it could easily be a cold rain washout, or a decent snow event. Guess who's drawn the short straw writing the transport forecasts for Scotland and northern England tonight?

To add to the above, UKV 3z does have 15-30cm in spots but still, very bold call IMO.

Struggling to see what the Met Office are seeing to be going for up to a foot of snow!! EC has rain stalling over the Pennines, but with 925 temps above freezing it's going to be a struggle to get snow to lower levels away from the Pennines. The potential is there and it's been giving me headaches the last few days but 30cm?! Unless it's down to the poor detail of the warnings and they actually just mean Scotland. I think there's more risk of freezing rain at lower levels in N England with such embedded surface cold.

We would much rather people use the ignore facility than negatively respond to posts they don't like, for sure. But I will add, we have absolutely no plans to put an age limit on this or any threads on this site. I joined this site when I was 15, posting on here helped nurture my interest in meteorology. That then lead to a degree in meteorology, and now I'm employed as a meteorologist and have been for the last 6 years. There will be numerous other young people on this forum who could potentially follow that path, and posting on here will continue to nurture that interest. So, yes, please use the ignore facility. But we have a wealth of knowledge and posts from all ages on this forum. Anyway, let's get back to discussing model output and put this evening's drama behind us, and thank you to all who reported posts - that's the way to deal with issues.

Once again keeping objective about the risk of cold going into the month. If it's going to be watered down marginal rubbish like the last few weeks, I'd rather not bother! EC ens not really sniffing whatever GFS has been this evening, trending below average however with some members on the colder extremities going as cold as the GFS 12z. Longer range EC46 still sticking very much with a zonal pattern.

Again, this is not a "model thread review thread". Can we stop using this as a commentary on the quality of posts in there please? If you want to change the course of conversation in the model thread, then get involved.

Haha! The fact is, that most people around today were either born after the 80s winters or were too young to remember. I'm 28 and don't remember any specific weather events before the early 2000s.

Guys, this is a thread to discuss the winter weather. This is not the thread to whinge about what people are posting in the model thread. My advice is either don't read the model thread if it's not to your taste, or post in there yourself and "improve it". Any posts you think are out of line, report them. Sniping in here does nothing.

Oh absolutely, it's been lovely and seasonal.