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Some people are just stupid...
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I know exactly where I was this time last year - East Atlantic Beach, NY. I'm talking this very date last year. It's one of the barrier islands off of the South Shore of Long Island, and Irene is gonna pass that way. The people I stayed with live in a basement apartment about 100 yards from the coast (they practically live on the beach). It's gonna be hell for them and I hope they get through it OK. I also have a friend (from back here in Bournemouth) who is currently working in Martha's Vineyard, MA. Might be interesting, that.
Amazing, almost a week to the year that Earl was tearing up the Outer Banks of NC and the same stuff happens again.
And here is a burning question on the lips of many on the Eastern Seaboard: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5c.html
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Erm, what are these clouds of which you speak? I don't recall seeing a single one today...
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Perfect Summer Week:
Monday - HP over Mid-Atlantic, LP systems in the Baltic - cool, slack N'ly flow with some convective showers and warmth in the sun. Low Humidity. 19C/7C
Tuesday - HP in Continental Europe moves NW and Atlantic High sinks - LP systems move in from the Atlantic. Warmer E/SE wind with some low cloud in the Far North East. 23C/11C
Wednesday - HP surges NW and a much slacker flow is upon us, very warm, with 15C uppers edging in, 25C/14C
Thursday - HP sets up in the Benelux region, with warm winds from the Med pushing in bringing Higher Humidity, LP systems still stuck out west. 28C/17C
Friday - Sun. 30C/19C
Saturday - Sunnier Sun. 31C/20C
Sunday - Scorcher. 33C/19C
You forgot to add on Tuesday: drive 300 miles further south. 33 degrees would be exceptional for your part of the world, it's not often achieved here!
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I'm gonna honestly say that I have truly had my fill of snow after December. I'm pretty sick of feeling cold (am enjoying feeling warmth in my body) and am also glad that I can drive around the place in my car to visit people and socialise. So bring on warmth and mildness! Sunshine would be nice, but just so long as the daytime temp is above 6, right now I'm happy.
And this is from the man who wants to move to Montreal or Quebec City one day, though I and they would be ready for the snow there!
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Mission Beach is looking a little ragged: http://www.yfrog.com...=CastawayResort
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It was about this time in January last year (and has subsequently happened again) when I've noticed the days get long enough to keep me happy and the sun being a bit higher and a bit stronger. It's not quite at the feeling of waking up after that long sleep that happens at the start of March, but I tell you, it feels so good right now!
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Permission to give thanks to Verglas myself? This is a topic I've long thought about myself and, well, you can see the discussion I hopefully have added to all this. Naturally, people may think I've spouted much rubbish, but it interests me!
THANK YOU Verglas! (Freezing rain in French if I remember.)
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1) yes, you did....oh well!
2) and who's to say the moon may end being made out of cheese because of the rotation reversal? lol
The bottom line is that in this hypothetical situation, any climatical scenario could play out........one thing though, in this thread, it's pointless comparing climatical data for two points on opposite sides of the atlantic just based on latitude....The Afro-Eurasian landmass is far larger than the Continental American landmass, this in itself would cause huge climatical differences due to a reversal, just swapping climate events from one side of the atlantic to the other just doesn't cut the mustard IMO.......
....another interesting scenario would be on what role the Bay of Biscay play in this hypothesis?.......I can forsee a cold current moving north to south off the west coast of the british Isles, would that cause an 'eddy' effect in Biscay as it interacts with tropical water drifting northwards, and if so, what effect would this have on the UK's weather, a breeding ground for some kind of 'superstorm'...the mind boggles just thinking of such possible events
Yeah, there is no right or wrong answer, I'm just trying to find analogues. Also Europe's a funny shape and the east coast of the US, well, isn't. Who knows if the hypothetical current would reach the Med? As for Biscay, I think I'm with you there, some serious cold core lows could form (hello nor'westers). Wouldn't want to live in Brittany by that point...
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It's possible that your example may be flawed...Providence falls under the influence of the cold labrador current, as the Gulf Stream is forced out into the mid-atlantic as it passes the Cape Hatteras area, so cannot be used as a climate comparison to Barcelona.....The current that feeds the med is the returning NAD which is a cooler current where it meets the entrance to the Med, where as with a rotation reversal it's the opposite, in theory..ie the north equatorial current would feed the med, which is already warm...As mentioned earlier, it's a result of the Coriolis effect, thus warmer waters in the equitorial atlantic would flood North/North Eastwards along the continental boundaries...............
....So there you have it, we'll have to agree to disagree....yet again on a thread!....lol
Oh no, not again AJ! Did I ever tell you I don't like Theakston's Old Peculier either?
It's a similar story (though not by much) south of Cape Hatteras: http://en.wikipedia....arolina#Climate - cf http://en.wikipedia....i/Cadiz#Climate (Cadiz manages to be warmer, even though it's 2 degrees futher north).
Jan mean temp in Cadiz: 10.7; Jan mean temp in Wilmington NC: 7.8
Jul mean temp in Cadiz: 25.5; Jul mean temp in Wilmington NC: 27.3
So I guess you could argue swings and roundabouts, but there is still 2 degrees of lattitude difference. And I can't find data for Tangier.
And who's to say that there wouldn't be a cold current running down the coast of Portugal?
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The North Equitorial current would be mirror imaged I guess, if so, it would, over time, flood the north east atlantic & med basin with warmer equitorial waters, enhancing the 'fuel' available for hurricanes IMO....The gulf stream would be renamed the Azores stream, I could imagine countries like Morroco & Spain being slammed during hurricane season, parts of the UK being hit by decaying CAT 2 or CAT 1 hurricanes, with storms on the more southern 'Morrocon' track passing through the Straights of Gilbraltor to re-invigorate in the Western Med....a knock-on effect of this water warming would be an increase in contrasting air-masses during the spring months, moist South Westerlies, colliding with cold, dry north easterlies in situ over northen Europe. This IMO would be the engine to generate the Severe storm/Tornado machine through France/Germany/Benelux and into the SE of the UK......It is, of course, total guess work......I, for one, would love some of the more experienced NW climate & model watchers to join this discussion & give us their expert opinions!
See, I disagree - I think the Med is warmed in part by the North Atlantic current as it is, any reversal (warm waters from the Azores to the Canadian Maritimes) would cut off this feed of warmer water. I'd compare the climate of Barcelona with that of Providence, Rhode Island as two arbitrary places to see this. Av temp for the year in Barcelona (41.23N) is 15.6C, which is the same as the average high for the year in Providence (41.49N). Average high temp in Barcelona is 20.0, a big step up from Providence. Providence is coastal, though unlike Barcelona, is not warmed by the warm waters of the Med or the North Atlantic current. Thus January's average low is -6.5 in Providence, yet the lowest temperature ever recorded in Barcelona is -6.7. Yet it's Providence that is exposed to hurricanes (although very very rarely), and I don't think one has ever hit Lisbon. Which goes back to me saying that I don't believe Spain will get hit all too often (Morocco and Western Sahara, the Southern parts of the Iberian Peninsula, the Canaries, Azores and Madeira will though, ironically the Cape Verde islands would too), and Britain would get the cast offs a la St John's. Like I say, even Nova Scotia (at about 45N) has only really been hit once, so it's doubtful that Britain at 50N (well, here is 50N) would be hit more than they are at present.
I guess what I'm trying to say is just because the Med is warm now doesn't mean it will stay that way if the Earth spun the other way - you may find that the Med temps drop, and would thus be unable to support tropical systems (which require temps hotter than the Med at present).
And I realise Providence is on the Atlantic coast and Barcelona isn't, but I expect it's similar in A Coruna, or comparing Lisbon with Washington.
Going back to specifically Britain in our hypothetical situation, looking at the climates of St John's and Sakhalin, they are both extremely foggy and cold. I would imagine that the climate in Britain would be economically disastrous, given the agriculture (which would have a much shorter growing season than at present) and shipping in the English Channel (the importance of the Channel as a shipping lane would diminish significantly if it iced over). Is it any wonder that the biggest settlement in Labrador is less than 8,000 in population (half that of Verwood) and St. John's NF is only as big as Bournemouth population wise?
And again, not overly sold on tornadoes for here - would need to be much further south. I'd say the Balkans if they weren't so mountainous...
(Edited because of my poor Portuguese geography.)
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I'm also wondering on the possible effects to sea-levels, a rise or fall perhaps?....an increase in severe thunderstorms during the spring and summer months, perhaps a new tornado alley forming through France/Germany extending into the British Iles, as in spring we could have dry Easterly/NEasterlies colliding with warm moisture laden air pulled north westwards from the increasingly warmer waters of the Mediterranean Sea??.....As B_S mentioned, huge winter storms dragged up the West European coastline......Major flooding along Southern UK coasts during the new Hurricane season? ...........so how can we make all this happen? :winky:
With the authors permission, I'd like this thread to be moved to a more appropriate part of the forum to increase thread visibility
Hmmm, not entirely convinced about a change in tornadoes or hurricanes, we'd still be getting extratropical remnants much like Newfoundland does, it's Nova Scotia further south in the Maritimes that has had a direct hit by a storm with tropical characteristics (Hurricane Juan). And Hurricane Faith hit the Faeroe Islands as a hurricane (with tropical characteristics) if I remember correctly. I don't think the Med would be any warmer than it is currently to be fair.
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The contenders:
http://en.wikipedia....akhalin#Climate
A bit further south than our lattitude http://en.wikipedia....Sapporo#Climate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._John's,_Newfoundland_and_Labrador#Climate - contains phrase: "Of major Canadian cities, St. John's is the foggiest (124 days), snowiest (359 cm (141 in)), wettest (1,514 mm (59.6 in)), windiest (24.3 km/h (15.1 mph) average speed), and cloudiest (1,497 hours of sunshine)."
http://en.wikipedia....r_Brook#Climate
Possibly a bit too far inland: http://en.wikipedia....ose_Bay#Climate
Sakhalin looks most likely to me, truth be told. But the snow lovers on here would love the Earth to spin the other way if these would be the climate analogues!
Also, imagine "nor'westers". A low pressure system that slides up Spain and France, dragging cold air in off its eastern flank and huge precipitation.
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I beg your pardon?...non comprendez pas
That should read "je ne comprends pas". Assuming you're trying to speak French.
On topic though - would our climate be more like Newfoundland or Hokkaido? My tutor at uni did his post doc in St Johns NF, and said the climate was horrific - that most days were foggy or cloudy and that you got about 14 sunny days a year. Probably an exaggeration, but he was unimpressed (he is Bulgarian). Whereas Hokkaido...well, the Sapporo snow festival should tell you everything you need to know about that locality...
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Tell me about it! I'm counting down the days until the first day it's warm enough to kick back on the beach (probably March sometime).
The end of last January, seeing a stronger sun poke through was like an awakening. Late February feels like waking up after a very long sleep in my mind, just the longer days!
i've actually noted a much higher level of stress and depression amongst colleagues at works, and friends on FB, and it's definately a widespread case of SAD
Same problem on my Facebook, though that could be due to the fact a lot of my friends are still at uni and have exams now or essays due. Welp.
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Wow its only Jan 5th and a spring/summer thread has already been opened, i'll try opening an Autumn/Winter one in early July and see if if its closed or not.
Its winter and its been great so far, really could do without such depressing threads, Springs are good with still the potential for clear arctic airstreams with lots of sunshine but by summer the cold airmasses go to be replaced by overcast atlantic ones, YUCK like the past 4 summers here.
How on Earth is this a depressing thread? If anything it's the complete opposite, with people declaring their aspirations (in a pretty positive fashion) for the spring and summer in a pretty positive manner.
If you want depressing, you could have done no worse than have looked out of an East Dorset window today, dark as night and damp.Not everyone has to love Arctic air all year round like you do - take a step back and learn to respect other people's preferences please, like many on here do to yours.
And before you suddenly declare me a mild ramper, I happen to like cold weather, but I also appreciate mild weather (though both are equally boring in large quantities).
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A long, hot summer please! A few rainy interludes to keep the cricket pitches watered I guess, preferably in April or May, and a bit to stave off drought, but I'd love it if everyday could at least hit my July average temp (which according to Wikipedia is about 22 degrees). I have absolutely no problems with excessive heat or humidity (in fact, the more humidity the better, love bowling in that), so bring it on! Please.
Cricket fans want dry weather - please, for once after the last 3 washouts, can we have a dry summer?
27c in London, 28c in Birmingham and Glasgow and 30c in Bournemouth
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes! Can't wait for the first day to hit Bournemouth beach this spring (might end up being in March). Had the last decent day down there in October which was great. A warm, dry summer would do wonders for the local economy in these parts.
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Well I'm guessing that this doesn't have to be UK based - before Dec 2nd, the weather I'd seen in the UK had been pretty unremarkable (before 2 separate storms in December dumped 4in [2nd Dec] and 5in [20th Dec] of snow on Dorset). But instead, the rather remarkable temperatures I saw in the North East of the US this summer (late August/early September).
Boy, was it hot - Boston normally has 3 days in August above 90F, and it was above 90 both days I was there, had been for about 5 days prior (as I experienced in NYC and Albany) and was for a few days days afterwards! Was supposed to be 94 or 95 the second day in Boston, but I took this pic at 5pm or so on the day we got into Boston:
Pretty remarkable for the last week of August in the North Eastern US. Even more, it stayed that high as we went upstate in NY, and into VT. After visiting the Ben and Jerry's factory in Vermont, we went into the biggest city in the state, Burlington and I saw a thermometer saying 94F. This was about 3-4 days after leaving Boston and we'd been in the US over a week with each day (except the day we landed) above 90, in NY, MA and VT. The heat did subside temporarily the day we went into Canada to Montréal QC as Earl slid up the East Coast, but the heat only came back again, and broke again in spectacular fashion the night before we flew back to Europe. An amazing thunderstorm that not only woke us up due to the noise, but one bolt struck so close to the house, the house shook. Pretty fantastic it was, I only wore jeans on one day of that whole trip.
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Ah well, at least it is easy to find this thread, it is always the last one in the clist just above the closed threads.
Weather is just too utterly, utterly boring at the moment. Of for a good force 11 gale.
Not always, yesterday it was below 3 closed ones!
I had to resuscitate it!Usual garb, snow still on ground, bear does its business in the woods and the Pope is indeed Catholic. Oh, and my temp is 30.0F (a toasty -1.1C), 87% humidity and 1007mb of pressure. Happy days.
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Well, unlike Dorsetbred, my temperature is lower than it has been all day, and has just hit freezing! Fantastic, especially as I need to drive tomorrow.
PS I did glance the SE thread and ooh heh talk about a couple of grumpies that were on there.. ooooh dear stroppy.... maybe though they were T and E from all the late nights of watching the snow? I dont know some people just cant take it the pace...
T and E? Tired and emotional? Like the Private Eye euphemism for drunk?
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Yep Snow Dog is watching that Precip too. It is painfully slow though, could this be the biggest snow event for 200 years?
It would need to actually be snow first! With a temp of 0.8 here, I wouldn't be so sure. And to be the biggest snow event of the last 200 hours it would have to dump more than 5 inches...you're gonna have to give this some billing, Snow Dog!
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The average max at Perisher Blue ski resort, NSW, altitude 5,000ft, is 15.8, and the average min is 3.8 - that's equivalent to Buxton, where incidentally it has snowed in June - but with colder nights than Buxton.
Sure snow should be and is rare, but certainly early morning during a nasty cold plunge I wouldn't rule it out...well, i don't need to of course because it's happened (twice in recent years)
And you missed my point. He was comparing Katoomba specifically, which in June (their winter) has a mean high of 19 and a mean low of 10. Exactly the same, as it happens, as Bournemouth in June. Mountain tops, yes, but nowhere under 1000m. Let's at least be consistent.
To be fair, it is rare, but more common than one might imagine. More common than snow in June in Buxton, I would imagine. http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-australia-swaps-summer-christmas.html
"It's not uncommon to get a dusting of snow along the higher peaks of New South Wales and Victoria every couple of years (at this time)," Bureau of Meteorology climatologist Grant Beard told AFP.
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If you think December is their equivalent of June - well we all know how up and down June can be in England as you're not totally into the summer, it can be boiling hot or a week of 12º. Well it's the same there except a few degrees warmer. But you'd still expect patches of cool days in between hot days that you maybe wouldn't see in January and February - say maxes in the high teens. That would be cool enough at 4-5,000ft to see occasional snow during the night etc.
That wasn't the point - it's that their December at that altitude is equivalent to our June in the lowland South of England, where April is the latest you could possibly get snow here. June is simply unheard of.
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It must be disastrous here, prior to this rescue effort, this thread found itself below 3 closed threads and no posts in over 4 hours!
I mean, where's the WI to, eh?
Well, I guess weather wise, it was pretty nondescript. Don't fancy the back roads now the snow that had fallen and become slushy on the roads will now have to cope with solidifying again, as the temperature has dipped below freezing (well, -0.1C). Fun times...
I had to resuscitate it!
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Link of the local TV network in Norfolk, VA if anyone's interested. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/wvec-13-news-live Live reports from reporters getting wet and blown around too.