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They messed up, they admit to it, lesson learned hopefully or mabye they should just slag off other forecasters and point out how right they were about it being windy on top of Snowdon...

Let's be fair to the guy, he is fighting for the Truth. As it happens, it's the same Truth as that of the Daily Mail and Daily Express when it comes to climate so he was bound to be popular with them...

Let me rephrase that for you..."Since the MetOffice, one of the best weather/climate science research center on the planet employing some of the best meteorologists and climatologists in the world, decided to inform us on AGW based on current scientific advice, a lot of people have come out of the woodwork and taken every opportunity to bash them on the head from their blogs, websites and media columns. Not one is ever likely to be the best at the science of climatology or meteorology. Most don't have the first clue about it in fact. The MetOffice are not perfect, made mistake, do get it wrong and it's obvious the general public is not particularly impressed with their warning system but implying their AGW research has somehow impacted on their capacity to do their job is quite simply untrue"

Yeah, wake up sheep and stop moaning!

IF, you best not come close to me just in case, you might catch cancer from me...

Lies and innacuracies on the Daily Mail....Well I never! What next, the Daily Express printing conspiracy theories about Diana's death...?

On a more serious note, I do rely heavily on the MetOffice to ensure my hobby is as safe as possible, them alongside MWIS provide me with important information and are, more often than not, on the money.

But if the MetOffice start issuing warnings left, right and center, people will start to complain about "health and safety gone mad" and "nanny state"...

TM, what part of the PD are you based? Last time I had the anenometer out was on Shutlingsloe on Xmas Eve, steady 35-40mph. It did not seem to bother a large party celebrating a birthday...

If you only go out in the hills in settled weather living in the UK, you won't see much of them...I can recommend it to fans of extreme weather of the sedentary type, being blown off your feet by 70mp gusts when walking a (thankfully wide enough) mountain ridge does certainly bring home the notion of how precarious life can be.

Can't wait for this unbearable weather to calm down a little, it might great fun whilst sitting on your backside looking at a computer screen showing charts but it does not particularly make it entertaining up the hills...

You are my hero Boar!

Give it a complicated name, be shady about it, accuse the MetOffice of being at the heart of a conspiracy to raise taxes and you'll be in business, certainly with the Mail and the Express...

Monbiot states what should have been obvious to anyone with a bity of savy about the Mail and Express obsession with "forecasters" like Exacta or PWS... http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/02/sleighbell-winter-climate-change-denial

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Welcome back Lady, I do recall you sticking your neck out and predicting much average Atlantic weather this winter to howls of derision from the cold hopecasters and their new paradigm... :smilz38:

I just need to read one word in Madden's statement above to know how seriously I can take him...

I like cold, real cold and snow. I put my money where my mouth is and go out to seek it, on mountains, hills, moorlands. I even spend the night up there on occasion (I certainly did not miss out on the chance of camping in the hills last week-end...). I know how disagreable it can be when your body is weakened (in my case due to my own choice of exhausting myself up there) and you feel as if the cold is seeping through every pore of your being. It can be quite daunting, particularly in the dark. Most people don't like cold, even those who like it do tend to do so in small doses, it's one thing spending 36 hours in below freezing temperatures, it's another stepping out of the house for a stroll by the local park... Why do I do it? Because it is exhilirating, it makes you feel alive and connected to your surroundings. Most people rather not have to suffer any kind of hardship, life in most cases bring enough of those without extreme weather brining its share of misery, particularly in places where "benign" is how you could best define our surroundings and weather conditions. I do find people annoyed at seeing an extreme weather being "downgraded" quite ghoulish, particularly because in most cases they'll be tucked away in their house/bedroom looking at charts on a computer, far away from any danger. It seems nothing but virtual excitement... Yes, the weather does not have any morals, it will happen, whatever we do or wish, but what is within our capacity is empathy for people who will suffer from the consequences of any extreme weather event. It seems in short supply sometimes, when the desire to see stonking charts overide any other desire.

It's quite the reverse actually, most comments are pertinent and do show what little credibility PC has whilst a few people who seem to confuse open-mindness with gullibility gob off endlessly...

Maybe PC is a Chtullhu cultist and the Great Elders are feeding him all that information...?

If snow is desperately needed, try Helvellyn although today the fell top assesor (a chap who goes up everyday to provide summits conditions for hikers) could not reach the top due to excessive snow...

If there is no option of cold and dry weather, I'll happily take any dry options around Christmas, I'd like to be able to spend a night or two on the hills without wondering if I'll be blown away into Russia whilst asleep in my tent...

Indeed, too much wishful thinking by many of a new ice age that seemed a carbon copy of last year, on that aspect RJS deserves credit.

Seeing as we are only the 12th, could we maybe wait until declaring the prediction of coldest part of the month as being between the 15th and 20th as correct...? Otherwise, yes, there has been heavy rain, brief intervals of hails and snow, some lying snow, strong winds from deep lows and a roller coaster of mild and cold spells. I think it's called "an average British december".. :winky:

In the case of firearms, I could not agree more.