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Maybe but the change in forecast will be for more ice than predicted. Looks like the ice melt is falling far behind last year. http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/p...=08&sy=2008

The math and percentages are nonsense. The fact is that the Earth is cooling and it appears to be accelerating. The AGW theory says that a slight increase in manmade CO2 will result in a unstoppable increase in temperature. Now we have had huge increases in manmade CO2 emmisiions and decreasing temps. The AGW theory appears to be flawed. Around here we have a huge number of old English and Scotts tradesmen that came over when it was booming. They certainly are not the type to run from a fight.(putting it mildley) Good men that I have enjoyed working with for the most part. When did it become the English way to run?

There has been some warm weather in the Canadian Arctic but also some below normal. No real prolonged extreme temps. This gives temps and normal temps for most stations. http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/forecast/ca...ex_e.html?id=NU

Melt looks far behind last year. http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/p...=01&sy=2008

Last year the scientists were saying AGW was going to cause the Great Lakes to dry up and now we have had a record Winter snowfall followed by all this below average temp weather and record rain. Signs of NGC?(natural global cooling) "Windsor endured wettest June on record Sonja Puzic, The Windsor Star Published: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 The Windsor area has experienced the wettest June on record, with an estimated 172 millimetres of rain falling in the region throughout the month, according to Environment Canada. That beats the previous 1960 record of 162.1 millimetres and far exceeds last year's June rainfall, pegged at 65.2 millimetres, said senior climatologist David Phillips. The normal amount of rainfall for this region in June is 89.8 millimetres." cont. http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/story.ht...05-a126e8f9177f

Depends what part of Western Canada. Alaska is a huge area and western Canada is bigger. Some parts of western Canada would have comparable weather. Maybe inland northern BC for instance and parts of the Yukon.

Compare last years melt to this years and it certainly looks like this years melt is slower so far. http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/p...=28&sy=2008

There is more ice at this point than there was last year and last year had an unusually warm and lengthy melting season. Ice often freezes up with ripples like that.

Windsor, Ont Canada, right across the moat from Detroit.

You base that assessment on the Telegraph? What science is that article based on? The scientist commonly predict the weather wrong hours ahead and yet you believe they know the temps and ice conditions in the Arctic for the whole of the melting period?

We had a cold Winter and a very cool Spring. In western Canada they were starting to call it the year without a Summer. Still except for the last couple days cooler than normal temps around here. And everyday there is a thunderstorm that roles through. Wondered if England was seeing the same sort of cooler weather. Thanks.

The Earth is cooling and it will take an extreme effort by the AGW alarmist to keep the belief alieve that a tiny increase in manmade CO2 will fry the Earth and only more taxes will solve this.

Are you the only Gray Wolf left in England?

I guess I never realized it had reached twenty in the Canadian Arctic this year. And there definately has not been widespread temps of 15 to 20C. Spin how you want, but the Canadian Arctic has been somewhat cool this year. And as far as forecasts go, science is very bad at predicting the weather.

Except for the fact that there is a massive growth of the ice.

Could be the North American climate is showing the cooling sooner since it is land based as opposed to the European climate which depends far more on the heat from the oceans.

If the world is cooling and it looks like it is it will be a disaster for mankind. It will result in a large reduction of agricultural production, CO2 and heat will be reduced and that will be bad.

One day of warm temps slightly above fifteen in a tiny area and nothing in the twenties. Mostly the temps have been normal or colder than normal. But you are right if there is an extended warm spell and strong winds the ice will go. Wind is very important according to Henry Larsen. I am still of the opinion without the extreme heat of last year the ice will not end up at nearly such a low level as last year. Gotta believe the unusual heat caused above normal winds. Don't take it so personal, it is just a difference of opinion. July is normally the warmest month in the Arctic and last years warm temps through August and September are anomoluos. Without the unusual warm weather and the extension into September the melt will be much smaller. Of course your right that time will tell. In Canada we call them Gray Wolfes , Timber Wolfes and they like to eat people. Of course nothing like the Polar Bears appetite for people.

July is the warmest month in the Arctic. So far no real warm temps in the 15 to 20C this year in Arctic Canada. What do you base these statements on? Still lots of cold weather. http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/forecast/ca...ex_e.html?id=NU

Looking bad for the alarmist. http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/p...=24&sy=2008

The spring here has been very cold and the summer continues the pattern. Is it above average temps in England?

Do you think it is the first time there has been a flood. It is normal for this to happen, you just think raising taxes is the cure. I have friends here from England this week and they are telling me gas is 12 dollars a gallon. Them evil oil companies in England are twice as evil as here. What does the King of England do with all that money?

Well if you look at this the melt seems far behind the last year. http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/p...=23&sy=2008 And if you look at this the temps are cooler or normal. I believe unless there is a freak warm spell like last year the ice will have a large increase in the minimum. Then again i have a bunch of friends over from England and we had a little party yesterday. All that CO2 could increase the temp in Canada. http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/forecast/ca...ex_e.html?id=NU

I was raised by socialist politicians. Two of my uncles were socialist cabinet ministers in the government and so was my cousin. The easy route would be to go for socialism. I just look at the facts. Am a self made man and don't fear much.

Of course it is. Everyone must agree that a tiny increase in CO2 will destroy the Earth.