Hot*Snow

Excellent post ian.

There has been some interesting debate on the north-west discussion about wheher the front and its ppn will actually affect north-west England. I am sceptical personally but open for debate - What do people here think? Hot*Snow

Fantastic!

Significant snowfall in my opinion consists of the following: (1) Depths of over 2 inches. (2) Long period of snowfall. (3) Groundcover at least 1 day - ie/does'nt melt within a few hours. Why I don't consider the snowfall in my loation this week to have been 'significant:' (1) Depths have'nt exceeded 1.5cm (2) Any snowfall has usually melted well within 12 hours (3) No 'heavy' falls. I know it is different for others in the north-west in places such as Cheshire, East Lancs, higher ground who have had a few inches etc. Hot*Snow

No not really. Confidence levels for significant snowfall in the north-west (Monday into Tuesday:) Cheshire: 29% Merseyside: 26% Greater Manchester: 16% Lancashire: 11.5% Cumbria (low ground): 9% Hot*Snow

Disagree. I think the BBC have done well on their forecasting over the last week, not only in terms of the north-west but the whole of the UK.

Bit daft all this talk of Mon/Tues storm affecting our region: Its fair enough being dissapointed when forecasted snowfall has'nt fallen in your area, but there is no evidence to support the fact that tomorrows storm will affect the north west at all - and it will lead to further unecessary dissapointment. Hot*Snow

Believe you me I'd love it if I was wrong but I can't see it tbh. If anywhere is to be affecetd in the north-west of England it will be in areas to the south and east again, similar to last week - ie/Cheshire, south Merseyside, south/east Manchester. Hot*Snow

This is standard procedure by the met-office. They do it to cover themselves in case the unexpected does happen (ie/ the low does track further north than expected) especially given the fact that this event could affect parts of the north midlands. But as I said there is no evidence to support the view that this winte storm will affect us here in the north-west.

The further north you are the more likely you will see significant snowfall. Can't see the front affecting us here in the north-west of England sadly

Sorry but we are unlikely to see any significant snowfall here in the north west over the next couple of days. Monday/Tuesdays 'wintersnowstorm' is progged to be a south/central event. The heaviest of the ppn has left my area now leaving back edge light snowfall. It has left a dusting and nothing more.

When refrerring to higher ground I mean places in the east of the region such as Oldham/RochdaleRossendale Valley and obviously the Pennines, Lake District fells and Westmoorland. Note/ Light to moderate snowfall in my location now. Starting to stick which has given a very slight dusting. I do think this is probably the most 'intense' area of ppn.

As far as I am aware - current situation: (1) There is one band of ppn which initially fell as light snow/sleet/drizzle but gradually turned more to snow. (2) It has reached most parts of the region. (3) Temperatures/dew poits have dropped over the last couple of hours - the mechanics of which has helped the ppn fall as snow. (4) As the day continues and darkness falls temps will continue to fall. (5) The band should last into the early evening moving eastwards. (6) Lowland levels can expect up to 1cm. Higher routes could see up to an inch min - depths increasing with altitude. (7) It is not a 'significant' event - nothing like what other parts of the country have had - but it is better than nothing. Hot*Snow

The essence of your post is correct - but what second band?

The prospects for any significant snowfall for this region in the near future look pretty bleak to me. Meanwhile southern and central England is expecting further significant falls over the next couple of days.

A brief period of feeble light snow that melted upon impact with the ground has now turned to drizzle. Hpwever it looks like some other parts of the nw are recieving some heavier ppn, mostly areas over high ground. Hot*Snow

Same here. A band of signifcant snow is set to affect the south and midlands again tomorrow - we will miss out.

Whilst many people across the country will be taking about how this winter provided some major, significant snowfalls. For the majority of people here in the north-west it will be another winter of false hope, near misses and limited amounts of snowfall. How the hell parts of the south have experienced inches upon inches of the stuff and weve had next to nowt totally baffles me. This was our one hope - and we've been let down again.

Light snow. Not sticking. Non Event. Hot*Snow

No snowfall here. I can see this being another major let-down. Whilst the rest of the country has and is expected to experience further widespread heavy snow events - when will we get our turn this winter if ever? This winter has become a running joke for me and alo of people here in the north west.

May be too 'warm' in many places for the ppn to settle - making the whole thing a waste of time imo. Note the south has another heavy snowfall event for tomorrow - note it won't make it up here.

Yeah I do totally agree with you, although personally I am not going to completely write this off just yet. Confidence level: 67% (was previously 73%)

In countries that recieve major, seriois snowfall such as USA, Canada, Russia, Northern Europe/Scandinavia the definition of a blizzard generally is: (1) Wind speed of 25-35mph+ (2) Heavy snowfall (3) Visibility less than 1km (4) Windchill of -25 deg.C (5) Duration of 4 hours+ However the met-office UK has a much lower threshold: (1) Moderate-heavy snow (2) Wind speed of 30mph+ (3) Visibilty less than 650 feet So there is no real 'definition' of a blizzard, these are determined by national weather centres and depend on regularity/severity of the snowfall events they recieve. I am also quite sure that some areas across the UK would have recieved UK met-office defined blizzards. Hot*Snow

I fear you might be right. Sorry guys but if we miss out again - I mean - you could'nt script it could you?

hmmm still clear here so this cloud must be quite patchy in nature? Is the cloud mostly to the south of the region?