Scepticism Of Man Made Climate Change

[keithlucky]

Historic low solar activity to effect winter temperatures? http://t.co/LG0u4f0Bnu

 

[keithlucky]

LOL

[keithlucky]

Arctic free icecap by end of summer of 2013 oops now lets try again 2030 or maybe 2040 http://t.co/wq1vXF7sgQ

Edited September 29, 2013 by keithlucky

[UV-RAY]

Arctic free icecap by end of summer of 2013 oops now lets try again 2030 or maybe 2040 http://t.co/wq1vXF7sgQ

Pick a number any number it's a win a win situation lol.

[keithlucky]

I have looked at the temperature trend since 1950"s we had a cooling period from 1951 to 1979 we had a warming period from 1979 to 2001 and from 2001 to 2013 a cooling period, so in total 40 out of 62 yrs there has been a cooling trend.So if you back to 1941 you have got nearly 50yrs of of near negative trends and 22yrs of warming,so which is the norm and which is the rarity?http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1941/to:1979/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1941/to:2013/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1979/to:2001/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2001/to:2013/trend

Edited September 29, 2013 by keithlucky

[keithlucky]

Remember the great Petermann Glacial demise picture released by NASA in 2000 showing a chunk of ice which calved of the Petermann  glacier showing how GW is causing the melt in Greenland?

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/petermann-calve.html

Here how it looks today   

https://earthdata.nasa.gov/labs/worldview/?map=-487207.970008,-1067531.400359,-44327.970008,-852747.400359&products=baselayers,MODIS_Terra_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor,MODIS_Terra_CorrectedReflectance_Bands367~overlays,arctic_graticule_3413&time=2013-09-19&switch=arctic

Update the the Petermann Glacier has grown 1kilometer since 2010.   Newspaper quotes from1941 showing nothing new in receding and .

growing glaciers.

[UV-RAY]

Update the the Petermann Glacier has grown 1kilometer since 2010.   Newspaper quotes from1941 showing nothing new in receding and .

growing glaciers.

It matters not Keith, the jury has spoken and we are all doomed as warming of the globe is running away at an alarming rate..... Oh wait a minute! 

[keithlucky]

Are we entering a period of global cooling?http://t.co/na3AFG465m

 

[4wd]

Are we entering a period of global cooling?http://t.co/na3AFG465m

Probably, but it's fanciful to imagine one year with (much) more ice is evidence of it.

[TonyH]

I steer as wide a course, from the likes of Greenpeace et al, as I can, I...Them of the '64 million-year-old Earth'!

Could you provide a link to Greenpeace theory of age of earth please Pete, thanks.

[Methuselah]

Could you provide a link to Greenpeace theory of age of earth please Pete, thanks.

It was an old pamphlet, from sometime in the 1990's, Tony...So, probably not...

[TonyH]

Ah thanks anyway Pete, sounds a strange supposition they made back then.

[Methuselah]

Ah thanks anyway Pete, sounds a strange supposition they made back then.

It vanished very quickly!

[TonyH]

Mind you not as strange as that of Archbishop Ussher!

[Highland Snow]

An interesting viewpoint:

 

http://www.trendingcentral.com/climate-change-complicit-media/

[Highland Snow]

Mind you not as strange as that of Archbishop Ussher!

Archbishop James Ussher was a man of brilliance. Don't knock him until you have thoroughly researched him:

 

http://creation.com/appendix-b-the-forgotten-archbishop

[Highland Snow]

Mind you not as strange as that of Archbishop Ussher!

 

Astrogeophysicist Dr John Eddy, who was at the time Solar Astronomer at the High Altitude Observatory at Boulder, Colorado, made some revealing comments at a symposium in 1978, as reported in Geotimes, Vol. 23, September 1978, p. 18.

‘There is no evidence based solely on solar observations’, Eddy stated, ‘that the Sun is 4.5–5 x 10⁹ years old. I suspect’, he said, ‘that the Sun is 4.5-billion years old. However, given some new and unexpected results to the contrary, and some time for frantic recalculation and theoretical readjustment, I suspect that we could live with Bishop Ussher’s value for the age of the Earth and Sun. I don’t think we have much in the way of observational evidence in astronomy to conflict with that.’

[Downburst]

The main problem of course for the scientists armed with the data and drawing conclusions is this this old chestnut, more so now than ever in the digital age, "The best Argument against democracy (replace with Climate Change analysis) is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.

I have a science background and I must say things are pretty hopeless in the marketing department for the IPCC when you consider coal and gas in China and the US, where rationality is not a strong point in the average voter, if indeed they have a vote. Not easy at all to have a proper understanding of the consequences and action needed. If the science is correct the main problems will be happening long after we are gone anyway, so "voters" here don't vote long term and never will. It's for most a question of "what's in it for me Jack" Looking back at the madness of WW1 100 years later, I can say what madness from this viewpoint in time, back then our equivalents wouldn't necessarily agree, one final push etc, but reasonable people could have prevented WW1, as Churchill for instance argues in his writings. The difference now in 2012 is that what we have done and continue to do will actually have a determined effect 100 years and more from now, whereas WW1 madness has little effect on us now, even if it was a terrible waste. So this all has to be taken very seriously at least. Important questions for sensible rational people.

[Methuselah]

Archbishop James Ussher was a man of brilliance. Don't knock him until you have thoroughly researched him:

 

http://creation.com/appendix-b-the-forgotten-archbishop

but, unfortunately, adding up ages of Biblical personages is about as 'brilliant' as what most schoolchildren can achieve by the age of twelve... 

[keithlucky]

Solar cycle24 the the smallest sunspot cycle since Cycle 14 http://t.co/uwfpTLBkSs.Does this mean we could be heading towards Daulton minimum or a maunder type minimum in the next few years.The solar maximum for cycle 24 was has just occurred and that was a hundred year low!

Edited October 2, 2013 by keithlucky

[UV-RAY]

Solar cycle24 the the smallest sunspot cycle since Cycle 14 http://t.co/uwfpTLBkSs.Does this mean we could be heading towards a maunder type minimum in the next few years.

Which should be named the Landscheidt  minimum IMO.

[keithlucky]

We were told to wait to the end of September for a fair comparison Arctic ice back up to nearly1995 levels

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=09&fd=30&fy=1995&sm=09&sd=30&sy=2013

 

[joggs]

We were told to wait to the end of September for a fair comparison Arctic ice back up to nerly1995 levels

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=09&fd=30&fy=1995&sm=09&sd=30&sy=2013

Alot more snow cover in the northern hemisphere at the same time although down on ice,but good to see.

[keithlucky]

Yes a fair bit of early snow around

Alot more snow cover in the northern hemisphere at the same time although down on ice,but good to see.

Early Winter: Alaska – Shortest Summer On Record — Winter Storm for the West – Earliest ever opening of Ski Resort

 

Mt Rainier – Only three months snow-free?

 

Via Ice Age Now website

Fairbanks, Alaska – Shortest Summer On Record

Winter Storm for Montana, Idaho, Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, Utah, Western Nebraska â€“ The calendar may say October 2, but a winter storm is poised to bring heavy snow to the northern Rockies  tonight at higher elevations, including the Tetons, Bighorns, and Beartooth Ranges of Wyoming and far southwest Montana. Tomorrow and Friday, snow will become widespread in southern Montana, central and eastern Idaho, far northern Utah, much of Wyoming, the mountains of northern Colorado.

Mt Rainier – Only three months snow-free? â€““Interesting there was a snowstorm on May 22nd and then Sept 29th,†says reader Ralph Fato. “Four months between snowstorms.†“I wonder what the melt gap was?†asks Ralph. “I believe there was still snow there in June which makes it only 3 months being snow free? Something you expect from 10,000 feet up, not 5400′

Argentina – 2,200 cattle die in snowstorm â€“ Cows, calves and bulls dead after the snowstorm. In Bernasconi, General Acha, Ataliva Rock, Quehué, Colonia Santa Maria and Unanue appeared cows, calves and bulls dead after the snowstorm. The mayor of Bernasconi, Jorge Riera, said about 200 animals were killed in department Hucal while in Utracán department, two thousand cattle were killed. (Journal Textual)

Winter storm watch for SE Wyoming â€““Potent early season winter storm.†12-16″ snow possible in mountains plus strong winds. URGENT WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHEYENNE WY…WED OCT 2 2013 POTENT EARLY SEASON WINTER STORM THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY… A STRONG EARLY SEASON WINTER STORM WILL AFFECT SOUTHEAST WYOMING AND WESTERN NEBRASKA THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY… WIDESPREAD SNOW…HEAVY AT TIMES.

Earliest ever opening of Crystal Mountain Resort â€“ From the “man-made global warming STILL not ruining the ski industry†department.  Crystal Mountain is located on the Northeast corner of Mt. Rainier National park in the State of Washington. Its base is at 4,400 feet, and its summit (Silver King) stands at 7,012 feet, for a total vertical run of 3,100 feet. Historic Opening/Closing Dates (since 1982) Earliest opening: November 4, 2005 Latest open

Wyoming – After 2nd largest Sept snowstorm on record, here comes another -“High Impact,†“Significant snow event,†“Nuisance,†“Major Early Storm,†are some of the words used by the NWS to describe the upcoming event. NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE RIVERTON WY 315 AM MDT MON SEP 30 2013 ANOTHER MAJOR EARLY SEASON STORM SYSTEM IS STILL ON TRACK EVEN THOUGH THE MODELS CONTINUE TO CHANGE A LITTLE… THE HEMISPHERIC PATTERN STILL SUPPORTS A DIGGING TROUGH INTO THE NRN GREAT BASIN

Riverton, Wyoming – 2nd Largest September Snowstorm Ever

Edited October 3, 2013 by keithlucky

[Methuselah]

Brilliant info, keith...But how does it relate to CC scepticism?