Snow and Ice in the Northern Hemisphere 2013/14

[smithyweather]

I wonder will we go above the 1980s line?

[Skullzrulerz]

I wonder will we go above the 1980s line?

Not sure.

[Gavin Hannah]

The thing is though, eventually the refreeze rates will slow down.  There will come a point where there will be less 'freezable' ocean available the further it spreads out. Over in Newfoundland, SSTs are above average so the area around Greenland / north west Canada will probably take longer to freeze. 

As the Siberian basin freezes over, i'd expect to see the daily gains come down a bit.  

 

Fortunately, there's still a decent amount available to freeze over there, so we should easily pass the 2000's line. 

[Skullzrulerz]

We will get to the 2000s line

Maybe 1990s

Unlikely 1980s.

[BornFromTheVoid]

Here's the IJIS October daily extent change from 2002 to 2013, so it's a graph of the (mostly) daily increases in extent, rather than the absolute extent values which you might be accustomed to seeing.

2013 is the thick black line, the daily maximum increase is the blue dash line, the average is green, the lowest increase (occasional decrease) is the orange dashed line, 2007 in the light grey thin line and 2012 in the dark grey thin line

 

 

So we haven't had the highest daily increase (compared to 2002-2012) yet, but as can be seen all but two (on the 2nd and 3rd) daily increases have been above the 2002-2012 average.

[throwoff]

Crazy to see how far we are off the 1 year max, I guess it has a lot to do with how poor the last two years have been that we are getting so excited about this year!

[Jonan92]

Lots of snow in the Alps

[Skullzrulerz]

Lots of snow in the Alps

Cool

[LincolnSnowstorm]

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/bookies-reveal-first-odds-for-uk-white-christmas/

The lowest-ever temperature recorded in England is -26.1C. In Wales it is -23.2C and in Scotland an even chillier -27.2C.

You can get 16/1 odds on any of these being beaten before 30 April 2014.

winter draws on and I'm tempted to put a tenner on! 

[LincolnSnowstorm]

Lots of snow in the Alps

http://avoriaz.livecam360.net/

 

http://valthorens.livecam360.net/chalet-thorens

Edited October 11, 2013 by LincolnSnowstorm

[Habsish]

Not much in the village though. http://www.valthorens.com/winter-en/val-thorens/live/livecams--webcams/resort-livecam.550.html

[Skullzrulerz]

Alps Have one of the biggest snowfalls in oct in recent memory. http://www.markvoganweather.com/2013/10/11/record-snowfall-alps/

[DAVID SNOW]

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/bookies-reveal-first-odds-for-uk-white-christmas/

The lowest-ever temperature recorded in England is -26.1C. In Wales it is -23.2C and in Scotland an even chillier -27.2C.

You can get 16/1 odds on any of these being beaten before 30 April 2014.

winter draws on and I'm tempted to put a tenner on! 

Good luck with your bet if choose to back it but imo those odds are poor ,the odds should be 33/1 at least

[LincolnSnowstorm]

Not much in the village though. http://www.valthorens.com/winter-en/val-thorens/live/livecams--webcams/resort-livecam.550.html

To be honest not that much up top either ,looks like I was thinking of the wrong country 

http://www.markvoganweather.com/2013/10/11/record-snowfall-alps/

Swiss alps not French.

http://www.livecam360.com/webcams-360/6/suisse/

[LincolnSnowstorm]

Good luck with your bet if choose to back it but imo those odds are poor ,the odds should be 33/1 at least

Thanks I will hold back on that, me been having imaginations of a over due 62/63 winter.  

[SomeLikeItHot]

Moving west looks like further gains and some in scandi now.

Today and yesterday.

[LincolnSnowstorm]

Moving west looks like further gains and some in scandi now.

Today and yesterday.

Doing so well and only behind 2002

 

 

Netweather report of that winter wonder if there will be some kind of a match up 

A different winter, in that zonality wasn't persistantly there, in fact High Pressure easily dominated affairs after mid January. Some good snowfalls of up to 2 inches here in South Wales (200m asl) and the South East seeing quite a bit. London getting the most snow its seen for a good while. Easterly winds occasionally, brinign temperatures down a lot, with a very cold continent contributing. I recorded -15c windchill in early February! Scotland unlucky though, not seeing as much as 2000-01, Esterlies no the best wind direction for the North. A very dry winter overall, after early flooding in January. Astonishingly different to the 90s in terms of sunshine and rain totals. A good winter, although no where near snowy enough here in South Wales. 

[Gaz1985]

Doing so well and only behind 2002

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Netweather report of that winter wonder if there will be some kind of a match up 

A different winter, in that zonality wasn't persistantly there, in fact High Pressure easily dominated affairs after mid January. Some good snowfalls of up to 2 inches here in South Wales (200m asl) and the South East seeing quite a bit. London getting the most snow its seen for a good while. Easterly winds occasionally, brinign temperatures down a lot, with a very cold continent contributing. I recorded -15c windchill in early February! Scotland unlucky though, not seeing as much as 2000-01, Esterlies no the best wind direction for the North. A very dry winter overall, after early flooding in January. Astonishingly different to the 90s in terms of sunshine and rain totals. A good winter, although no where near snowy enough here in South Wales. 

 

For sure England can easily rival and surpass Scotland in terms of snow, for instance the North York Moors and Pennines can be the snowiest parts of the UK with an easterly flow, in fact the official deepest level snow ever recorded in the UK in a inhabited place was in Teesdale, England during the very snowy Winter of 1946-47 with 211cm of snow on the ground!! god knows what the drifts were like. Scotland does better than England in a northerly.

Edited October 11, 2013 by Gaz1985

[smithyweather]

I would not class 2 inches as good

[LincolnSnowstorm]

I would not class 2 inches as good

3 to 4 would be the recent winter version of what good looks like I reckon and 6 to 8 excellent...10 and above 1947 styley is crazy!  

[LincolnSnowstorm]

not so far away now  

[Norway Nut]

For many days now the ice has been growing either side of the Laptev Sea. Why isn't the Laptev Sea closing up?

[Gavin Hannah]

 The latest value: 6,665,549 km²â€‚(October 11, 2013)

 

One more day I reckon!! 

[BornFromTheVoid]

 

 The latest value: 6,665,549 km²â€‚(October 11, 2013)

 

One more day I reckon!! 

 

 

One more day to what?

[MR EXTREMES]

One more day to what?

until its above the 2000 average I think.

remarkable ice recovery this year.