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  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

No change for sunny Sheffield still on 16C. Should be 15.9 tomorrow with a finishing zone of 15.8C 

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  • Location: Windermere 120m asl
  • Location: Windermere 120m asl

A 50/50 chance we could end up below the 61/90 average or bang on the average, will depend on any marked adjustments. I think we will just creep in below... very few would have anticipated this on the 1 July 2015, many of those in the media suggesting hottest July on record should have egg firmly on face.

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  • Location: Darlington
  • Weather Preferences: Warm dry summers
  • Location: Darlington

 

16.4c to the 28th

 

0.3c above the 61 to 90 average

 

0.3c below the 81 to 10 average

 

 

0.2c below the 81 to 10 average

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  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

Sunny Sheffield down to 15.9C -0.8C below normal.

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  • Location: Edinburgh (previously Chelmsford and Birmingham)
  • Weather Preferences: Unseasonably cold weather (at all times of year), wind, and thunderstorms.
  • Location: Edinburgh (previously Chelmsford and Birmingham)

A 50/50 chance we could end up below the 61/90 average or bang on the average, will depend on any marked adjustments. I think we will just creep in below... very few would have anticipated this on the 1 July 2015, many of those in the media suggesting hottest July on record should have egg firmly on face.

Even my guess is looking like it could be too high, at 16.2C. I did think people were overdoing it at the beginning of the month, with opinions being swayed by the first few days.

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  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, Snow, Windstorms and Thunderstorms
  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary

The CET should be right on the boundary between 16.1 and 16.2C before corrections, so probably 15.7C to 16.2C after. EDIT: Slight miscalculation, the CET should be on 16.1C (around 16.08C) before corrections, so 15.7C to 16.1C after.

 

Thanks, I have a daily file downloaded that I have been updating manually since 2011. Just didn't think about the 30-day drop regardless of date. I suppose the real comparison is 30-day drop divided by the standard deviation in daily temperatures because I figure that summer must be about 2/3 of winter on that scale (s.d.) so 8 deg in July is comparable to 12 deg in January. Or if it was 4/5, then 8 is comparable to 10, etc.

 

This may in fact be the most significant 30-day differential on this scale when you consider that factor. The drop in October 1985  was larger in absolute terms but it would average about 2 deg at random (because temperatures are usually falling that much throughout October) so that should be subtracted, whereas July would average almost a degree up so that should be added for comparison, as well as the slightly larger spread of October means compared to July means.

 

Agreed. I'll try work on something like that if I have the time in the next few days. Perhaps get the average change for every 30 day period and then calculate anomalies rather than just looking at absolutes.

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  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

Sunny Sheffield down to 15.8C -0.9C below average 15.7 tomorrow if tonight is cold.

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  • Location: Windermere 120m asl
  • Location: Windermere 120m asl

Bang on or 0.1/0.2 degree below 61-90 average most likely now... a disappointing month in the main despite the exceptional heat of the  1 July, which will quite possibly end up the only talking point of summer 2015.

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  • Location: Irlam
  • Location: Irlam

Thanks, I have a daily file downloaded that I have been updating manually since 2011. Just didn't think about the 30-day drop regardless of date. I suppose the real comparison is 30-day drop divided by the standard deviation in daily temperatures because I figure that summer must be about 2/3 of winter on that scale (s.d.) so 8 deg in July is comparable to 12 deg in January. Or if it was 4/5, then 8 is comparable to 10, etc.

This may in fact be the most significant 30-day differential on this scale when you consider that factor. The drop in October 1985 was larger in absolute terms but it would average about 2 deg at random (because temperatures are usually falling that much throughout October) so that should be subtracted, whereas July would average almost a degree up so that should be added for comparison, as well as the slightly larger spread of October means compared to July means.

I think March 2013 would make an interesting case study.

It was 4.9C on the 9th and to drop to 2.7C by month's end may not seem a lot but you have to take into consideration that March is a month that climatically on average, gets warmer as the month progresses.

What is the climatic probability of that happening?

Incidentally, July 1968 started off as 21.8C and ended at 15.0C

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  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

Final CET for Sheffield 15.7C rounded up. Todays higher than expected Max making sure it wasn't lower. -1C f below average.

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  • Location: Drayton, Portsmouth
  • Location: Drayton, Portsmouth

Even my guess is looking like it could be too high, at 16.2C. I did think people were overdoing it at the beginning of the month, with opinions being swayed by the first few days.

Yes indeed - and the same thing happening right now I think on the August CET thread. Beware precarious beginning of month huge anomalies - I will in future!!

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  • Location: Longden, Shropshire
  • Location: Longden, Shropshire

Yes indeed - and the same thing happening right now I think on the August CET thread. Beware precarious beginning of month huge anomalies - I will in future!!

 

True, but after such a hot start to the month, the odds for a close to average month overall were pretty slim, especially considering July is the warmest month of the year on average and doesn't normally have a cooling trend as the month progresses.

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  • Location: Ossett, West Yorkshire
  • Location: Ossett, West Yorkshire

Final Hadley July CET is 15.9 (15.91).  So we are just below the 1961-90 average.  Although even by recent standards this is not unusual with the Julys of 2007, 2011 and 2012 all cooler than 2015.  Further back the Julys of 1993, 1998, 2000 and 2004 were also cooler.  July 2015 has been what you may call a "pear shaped" summer month - much like a summer version of February 2009.  July 2015 started with a notable heatwave and it remained on the warm side for much of the first half and then a spell of notably cool weather in the later part of the month put the overall mean slightly below average in the end despite such a notable heatwave at the start.

 

July 2015 also had a cooler second half than the first - a rarity in recent times.  This has only happened in 2009, 2007, 2005, 1987, 1986, 1985 in the last 30 years although I am not so sure before that.

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  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, Snow, Windstorms and Thunderstorms
  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary

I'll post up more stats in a while, but a little teaser for now.

 

The last week of July was the 8th coldest on record, and the coldest since 1920!

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  • Location: Keyingham, East Yorkshire
  • Weather Preferences: Spanish plumes, hot and sunny with thunderstorms
  • Location: Keyingham, East Yorkshire

It felt like it as well, considering it should be one of the warmest weeks of the year.

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  • Location: Exile from Argyll
  • Location: Exile from Argyll

Final Hadley July CET is 15.9 (15.91).  So we are just below the 1961-90 average.  Although even by recent standards this is not unusual with the Julys of 2007, 2011 and 2012 all cooler than 2015.  Further back the Julys of 1993, 1998, 2000 and 2004 were also cooler.  July 2015 has been what you may call a "pear shaped" summer month - much like a summer version of February 2009.  July 2015 started with a notable heatwave and it remained on the warm side for much of the first half and then a spell of notably cool weather in the later part of the month put the overall mean slightly below average in the end despite such a notable heatwave at the start.

 

July 2015 also had a cooler second half than the first - a rarity in recent times.  This has only happened in 2009, 2007, 2005, 1987, 1986, 1985 in the last 30 years although I am not so sure before that.

Wet months, though. Surely this year is a bit more remarkable in that it has been predominately dry with a good sunshine total.

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  • Location: Irlam
  • Location: Irlam

Starting from 2001, it took to September 2008 to record the 24th month of the decade 2001-10 that was below the 1971-2000 average.

July 2015 is the 24th month of the decade 2011-20 to be below the 1971-2000 average and that's despite that there were only two months below the 1971-2000 average from July 2013 until January 2015 inclusive.

Months below the 1971-2000 average since January 2001

Jul 2015: 15.9 (-0.6)

Jun 2015: 14.0 (-0.1)

May 2015: 10.8 (-0.5)

Feb 2015: 4.0 (-0.2)

Aug 2014: 14.9 (-1.3)

Nov 2013: 6.2 (-0.7)

Jun 2013: 13.6 (-0.5)

May 2013: 10.4 (-0.9)

Apr 2013: 7.5 (-0.6)

Mar 2013: 2.7 (-3.6)

Feb 2013: 3.2 (-1.0)

Jan 2013: 3.5 (-0.7)

Dec 2012: 4.8 (-0.3)

Nov 2012: 6.8 (-0.1)

Oct 2012: 9.7 (-0.7)

Sep 2012: 13.0 (-0.6)

Jul 2012: 15.5 (-1.0)

Jun 2012: 13.5 (-0.6)

Apr 2012: 7.2 (-0.9)

Feb 2012: 3.8 (-0.4)

Aug 2011: 15.4 (-0.8]

July 2011: 15.2 (-1.3)

June 2011: 13.8 (-0.3)

Jan 2011: 3.7 (-0.5)

Dec 2010: -0.7 (-5.8]

Nov 2010: 5.2 (-1.7)

Oct 2010: 10.3 (-0.1)

Aug 2010: 15.3 (-0.9)

May 2010: 10.7 (-0.6)

Mar 2010: 6.1 (-0.2)

Feb 2010: 2.8 (-1.4)

Jan 2010: 1.4 (-2.8]

Dec 2009: 3.1 (-2.0)

Jul 2009: 16.1 (-0.4)

Feb 2009: 4.1 [-0.1]

Jan 2009: 3.0 [-1.2]

Dec 2008: 3.5 (-1.6)

Oct 2008: 9.7 (-0.7)

Sep 2008: 13.5 (-0.2)

Jul 2008: 16.2 (-0.3)

Jun 2008: 13.9 (-0.2)

Apr 2008: 7.9 (-0.2)

Mar 2008: 6.1 (-0.2)

Dec 2007: 4.9 (-0.2)

Aug 2007: 15.4 (-0.8]

July 2007: 15.2 (-1.3)

Aug 2006: 16.1 (-0.1)

Mar 2006: 4.9 (-1.4)

Feb 2006: 3.7 (-0.5)

Dec 2005: 4.4 (-0.7)

Nov 2005: 6.2 (-0.7)

July 2004: 15.8 (-0.7)

Dec 2003: 4.8 (-0.3)

Oct 2003: 9.2 (-1.2)

Feb 2003: 3.9 (-0.3)

Oct 2002: 10.1 (-0.3)

Jul 2002: 16.0 (-0.5)

Dec 2001: 3.6 (-1.5)

Sep 2001: 13.4 (-0.3)

Apr 2001: 7.7 (-0.4)

Mar 2001: 5.2 (-1.1)

Jan 2001: 3.2 (-1.0)

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  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

Sunny Sheffield 15.7C and with below average rainfall as well despite only five dry days.

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