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As for the topic in question. We finished the day with an average temperature of -2.6 The overnight low is -6.2 which is what it currently is. (Charterhall is at -2.9, and in case anyone thinks it might be my station calibration. Peebles is at -8, Eskdalemuir -5.7, Earlston -5.5, Hawick -4.7)

Looks like the white balance is off, probably there is a lot of frost causing a lot of bright light to be reflected and throwing off the balance. Usually the colours either go purple or green when that happens. Might be worth giving Graham a shout though to see if he's aware of it.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/477656/cold-weather-payments-weather-stations-postcodes.ods you will find them in there.

I couldn't find any proper temperatures on the Met Office site but I know all the Met Stations are on WUnderground - so I got those figures from there. Yes..... Charterhall really is in a land of it's own - I managed to find some PDFs of stats and spreadsheets of previous years of Cold Weather Payments on the Gov site, and one of the things you can find there is a link of Postcodes to a specific weather station. It's astounding the geographical area that is actually tied to temperature readings from Charterhall.....

From the Gov website: I gather it used to be less than 7 days but they had to change the rules after the 09/10 winter because there is balance between people being able to afford heating and the UK Gov not wanting to pay out too often. But when I look at what our averages have been - 18th: 0.1 (H:4.2,L:-3.3), 19th: -0.6 (H:4.4,L:-3.7) 20th: -2.5 (H:2.6,L:-6.2), 21st: -1.3 (H:4.1,L:-7.6) 22nd: 3.4 (H:4.6,L:0.7), 23rd: -0.4 (H:3.9,L:-3.8) Today is currently sitting at an average of -2.5 As you can see - clearly there should of been a cold weather payment because this has been brutal on the LPG - but because one day (the not Angus day) was an average of 3C - we won't get it, not to mention that the readings are probably taken from Charterhall anyway which is consistently warmer than we are. Charterhall for info is: 18th: 2 (H:4,L:-1), 19th: 2 (H:4,L:-1) 20th: -0 (H:3,L:-4), 21st: 0 (H:5,L:-5) 22nd: 4 (H:5,L:2), 23rd: 2 (H:6,L:-2), 24th: 0 (H:3,L:-2)

I don't get it either - You come away from the model thread with the impression it will either be average or just above average in terms of temperature. So days of temperatures with subzero averages are not exactly what I would call average - for November anyway. As an aside: The "Cold Weather Payments" require a week (7 CONSECUTIVE DAYS) of temperatures at or near to 0?! Am I the only one thinking that someone that can't afford heating and hence requires Cold Weather Payments will be dead with 7 consecutive days of zero temperatures? Getting a run of maybe 3 at a push 4 days of near zero temperatures might be fairly normal for a UK winter - but I'd suggest that 7 consecutive days is probably pretty rare.

I'd be surprised if they could even find them - it must be a complete accident when they stumble on them, all that running around in circles they do must take up a significant proportion of the day, I haven't ever heard anyone say the haggis saw something and ran straight towards (or even away from) it.....

So yesterday - the frost didn't lift in a lot of places here, and he had to make a trip to Galashiels about 5pm by which time it was already -2 out there and although a lot of roads had been gritted they were still very very slippy. Overnight the temperature dropped to -5.9 and we ended the day yesterday with an average temperature of -0.4 We reached the dizzying high temperature of 2.5 today and are now down to 0.6 with a current average temperature still well below 0 at -2.6

Depends when you get to it, give it 5-6 hours between each visit and there is usually just model discussion with a post - numerous messages have been removed, reminding posters to be civil and not discuss previous winters or current weather - roughly every 2-3 pages. It was just Monday with the "oh my god it's happening - all the models agree, it's nailed on" to "right that's it, the model was terrible, it's all gone wrong, winter is over, see you next year" flip in a very large proportion of members in the space of 6 hours, that made me go.... Right, maybe give this thread a miss for a few days.........

Ah a bit like FOBIS ....... (hint... the F makes it NSFW)

Sometimes though........ it just feels like the right thing to do...... even if it will be pointless and require a trip to the Aspirin cupboard when it's over......

You are lucky - since they changed us to the bright white LED things - a) you can no longer spot light snow drifting down (you can't even see rain of any intensity) and b) It's like staring at the sun - it's painful and ultimately you can't see anything.

The format of those numbers looks suspiciously different to the one I have.... I'm member 9004 - but all those people getting fancy numbers starting with "16/" look like they have much lower numbers than me..... But what I'm much more interested in.... how does the holder of the sacred list - end up at any number higher than 1????

That does make a lot of sense - but as shown in Jo's blog - as Angus has long left the UK - and the BBC and whoever else will no doubt have pointed this on many video forecasts - it will leave the public incredibly confused when the BBC and others are saying Angus has cleared the UK - and Sky News and The Scotsman are claiming that the current weather system that arguably was much worse than Angus - is in fact Angus. I'm confused myself - when I see articles like this one - posted at 5pm TODAY on The Scotsman - which suggests both that all the wind and rain is because of Angus - and then worse - suggests that more is to come?! What?! This is being retweeted and re-shared across Facebook as i type...... .

Before I launch into another Twitter rant - I just want to confirm with you guys - The wind and rain we have just had - that wasn't Angus was it? Because things like this: are just making things confusing - as far as I have seen tonight - the river levels are falling - so are we expecting them to rise again - or is this a case of people getting wires crossed again?

If I'm honest @edo there are a few people I pay attention to in the thread - and I tend to scan through the pages now looking for their posts. Fergie obviously being the main one. And Gavs videos tend to be an unbiased look at the models.

It certainly would help to prevent things like this (which I complained was incorrect when they posted it) A number of media broadcasters (all of whom have resident meteorological people) don't seem to realise that Angus - came and went relatively quietly, in terms of the damage and disruption it was expected to cause vs the reality of it. It's potentially also arguable - that the initial decision that winds were the only thing that mattered is a strange decision anyway, surely damage caused by wind is (in general) less of a risk versus damage and potential loss of life caused by flooding - which includes subsidence and landslides.

So.... Apparently we are relatively watertight when the rain comes a more southerly direction. But when it comes from a Northerly direction, and the rain is more horizontal than vertical..... we aren't so watertight. What a horrible horrible night. still had priorites right - piled towels up around the BT phone socket to stop any water from affecting the Broadband connection Annoyingly - BT are currently installing cabinets at the Exchange for our ETA of Fibre being available in June 2017, and I just know that this is going to cause a setback..... As for the Model Thread..... It's astounding how over the course of 12 hours yesterday it went from "winter is on the charts, it's finally happening" to "that's it winter is over, it's not happening, see you next year" Might give it a miss for a few days.......

As the weather warning from METO noted - due to the "uncommon" wind direction, it was thought likely to cause more disruption. It did (here anyway) - we have had rain coming in the property through window seals and the roof - we never normally suffer from these problems when the rain is coming from the South (ish) - or - when the rain is more vertical.

Completely forgot this thread existed..... in which case someone should probably also point out that there was a 6.4 Earthquake in Argentina yesterday as well - http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us10007az5#executive

I've been wondering if we have secretly been relocated to Orkney or thereabouts.......

Yes we have that in Greenlaw..... the only issue with this type of Weather is that the rain gauge can't record horizontal rain..... (well that - and the fact it's impossible to keep the house at a reasonably warm temperature, it always feels like there are numerous windows open)

I've been keeping an eye open on the tracking map because I did see on Twitter that Lightning is expected between now and 9am anywhere across Northern England, Lothian and Borders. I've picked up several strikes that probably are around Peebles on the stand alone detector, but the triangulated network has not picked anything up yet.

and here http://www.shetland.org/60n/webcams/cliff-cam-3 In other news - not Scotland related - Japan Earthquake 7.3 Fukishma residents warned to evacuate because of Tsunami threat. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/at00oh0fnm#executive