hai weatherfanatics, my name is Sebastiaan from the Netherlands I really like to read your forum, so I joined this forum and this is my first attribution. I would like to say to you, that a Dutch meteorologist just told at weerwoord.be that the EC of tonight is probably containing a fault. He wrote Dit is een grote sprong tussen twee ensembles, vrij ongewoon. Er bestaat kans dat het gehele ensemble, en ook de ECMWF operationele run, beïnvloed is door een relatief grotere fout in de analyse. Zo zie ik dat er geen gegevens van de MTSAT, de geostationaire satelliet voor Oost-Azië, zijn meegenomen. Dat is de afgelopen drie maanden niet eerder gebeurd. THere is a giant gap between the two ENS, which is very unsual. There is a chance that the whole ENS, and also EC operational run is influenced by a relative bigger mistake in the analyses. E.g. I there are no data of MTSAT used, the sattelite for East Asia, this wasn´t case for 3 months. Another helpful link is this one http://www.weerplaza.nl/15daagseverwachting/default_pluim.asp?r=midden it contains the ENS for several areas in the Netherlands E.g. given southeast of the Netherlands, see that wonderfull control !