RichardR

Just 8mm? Ha. We have only had, get this, 1mm of rain here in Buxton. But it has been very cold and still is, so I would have preffered a raging zonal set up from the west with milder temperatures and more rain than crappy northerly winds.

Buxton Derbyshire 11:43AM 9.8C, 67% humidity and overcast. A cold and cloudy day.

Buxton Derbyshire 3:26PM 12.3C , 53% humidity, reached a high of 13.0C. Minimum was 4.6C.

10.4c & 51% RH @ 4:26PM here in BUXTON after a low of -0.6C last night.

10.4C in Buxton, after a low of 0.9C. Showers are staying away, and I hope they do as they will bugger up the temperature.

A good suggestion: Add 10C onto all the temperatures anywhere in the UK at any time year, then it would be a "temperate" climate in my opinion !

After all this bleeting about how the cold May will lead to a washout or cold summer, the synoptics will do a snap turnaround in early June and we will have the hottest summer on record. Severe droughts will lead to hose pipe bans again, and August will be the sunniest month on record with up to 450 hours of sun. 30c will be reached for 30 consecutive days somewhere in the UK, as a massive high pressure to the southeast pumps plume after plume of baking air over the UK. Unfortunately, lightning strikes from elevated storms will start heath fires, and sahara sand dust will blow in the wind and affect flights across europe, even stopping them altogether.

Drag the whole lot to the same latitude and position as Bermuda.

Overcast with drizzle, high of 10.8C so far.

Watching too much tele-vision most likely. It will be interesting to have a May colder than 1996. Cold Mays can bring lots of convective showers and storms and hail. May 1983 (wasn't around) was like that, with lots of days of thunder 5-10 in many places. Shame we can't have that.

Buxton, Derbyshire, England April 2010 Climatic Records Latitude 53*N Longitude 1.5*W Elevation 338m/1110ft AMSL Valid 1st- 30th April, 2010 Mean Maximum: 12.33°C / 54.2°F Mean Minimum: 3.1°C / 37.6°F Mean Temperature: 7.5°C / 45.5°F Highest Temperature: 18.9°C / 66°F (10th) Lowest Temperature: -2.5°C / 27.5°F (22nd) Mean Dewpoint: -5°C / 23°F --------------------- Lowest Maximum: 5.3°C / 41.5°F (1st) Highest Minimum: 9.4°C / 48.9°F (29th) --------------------- Precipitation: 37mm/1.46" Days with rain >1mm: 7 Days with rain: 13 Most in one day: 11mm/0.43" (30th) --------------------- Mean Pressure: 1018.4mb Max Pressure: 1034mb (9th, 10th) Min Pressure: 999mb (2nd, 3rd) Average Maximum Wind Gust: 28mph Maximum Wind Gust: 48mph (1st, 20th) --------------------- Sunshine hours: 145.13 Most in one day: 12.57hrs (21st) Average per day: 4.84hrs Sunless days: 2 % of Max Poss: 35% --------------------- Days with Sleet/Snow: 1 (1st) Days with Fog: NA Nights below freezing: 2 (21st, 22nd) Days with Hail/Ice Pellets: 1 (4th) Days thunder heard: 1 (25th)

Craig evens is clearly on another planet, and needs a reality check. I'd be surprised with the current forecast and FI (if it came true) if the CET came above 10C this month.

Up to a high of 6.4 degrees centigrade in Buxton. Heating is on full blast, both central and portable heater. Tis is the worst and longest winter I can remember, specialy considering it's not ended yet.

Yes to me a thunderstorm has to include lots of lightning and thunder (preferably overhead) and its silly to call one rumble of thunder a thunderstorm. The point of my original post though was that "storm", on its own, without the "thunder" prefix, can be any type of disturbed weather, lightning or not. The problem with this thread is that it is not making the distinction between "storm" and "THUNDERstorm". It should infact be called the "no THUNDERSTORMS" or "No T-Storm" club. But yes I agree that a "thunderstorm" is more than just a few rumbles of thunder. Duh.

Garbage. Cold, rain and 8c.

8.9C

Not a lot of info on this one, but I would be grateful if someone with better access to it might be able to shed light on information about this thunderstorm. In August 1997 I was camping in Jersey and there was a terrific frightning thunderstorm about 1-2 O'clock in the morning, which directly struck the campsight and also burned somebody in their tent, I remember. It was very lightning active, probably not severe though. It seemed rather like a plume type of storm and probably came from France. Looking at some partial weather records I found, the date was probably 5th August 1997. Anyone got any more information about this "event"?

That's correct. However just as an extra note. the issue with a more powerful thunderstorm with a lot of lightning is that, because the heavy rain/winds are often quite localised most people may just experience some lightning and a bit of light rain, and consider it more of a thundery shower than a storm, whereas those under the heavy rain/wind may find it a lot more fierce, so really yes it does just often come down to a matter of perspective. It's just simpler to say any event which produces lightning is a "thunderstorm".

Something like 29th September 2006 (fantastic month) when I was in Lincolnshire. A fairly small but long lived band of intense and tornadic thunderstorms swept from Wiltshire/Oxfordshire through to Lincolnshire and the North Sea, passed Lincoln around 1:00PM with very dark skies and the kind of anvil that extends a good number of miles ahead of the storm. There was bright blue flickery CG lightning, extremely loud thunder, heaviest rain I've seen in years, two tornadoes (didn't see one though) and the most amazing storm structure (from the rear) I've seen apart from photographs and I DIDN'T TAKE A BLOODY PICTURE!!! AARRG.

Have to say it seems very strange that there wouldn't be ANY thunder in a single location in that length of time, even in England. As for how I would personally define storm. Not that there is any particular right or wrong way. The word "storm" by itself to me implies an event of heavy wind/rain and/or hail, for (a rather extreme) example the September 24th 2007 squall line, which caused severe damage but didn't produce a single lightning discharge. Or the January 18th European wind storm. A "thunder-storm" to me is an event with multiple lightning discharges but including some kind of notable wind/rain and OR hail. I would call anything without notable rain/wind OR hail but with lightning a "thunder-shower". Terms like "thunderstorm" and "thundershower" say nothing about the intensity of lightning, but the nature and intensity of the parent storm itself. For my statistical purposes a "thunderstorm day" is any day thunder is heard in the 24 hours even if only once. I have to say I always feel a bit cheated marking a day as a "thunderstorm day" in my Excel weather records when it was just one rumble of thunder. Clearly my definition of "thunderstorm" is a bit stricter than most so I could well be in this club a long time yet by my definition!

So does that mean that you have experienced several days in the last 12 months where there's been some rumbles of thunder (but not enough to be out of the no storms club), or no thunder at all in that time? The latter would seem highly unlikely.

Had the year's first rumble of thunder in Buxton yesterday but obviously not enough to get us out of the "No Storms Club".

OK here you go: It's akin to a heat lover saying " Oooh look at that delicious baking +20C 850hpa air surely and definitely brushing up the English channel in the reliable time frame", no bias indeed!!! That you recon a cold chart is "tasty looking" makes your bias self evident. Admitting (see red text) your opinion (bias, same thing, if we see through the semantic twisting) does not absolve it, either. Your opinion is not a logic and reason based interpretation of the model, from any objective standpoint. Quickly come to the conclusion it's clearly better to stick to the more advanced Model Analysis available than sift through tonnes of bias laced detritus.

Lots of bees around today.

One thing I would love to see in Model Chat on this forum is an absence of this descriptive bias applied to the charts because of what YOU like. So what that you think the chart is "tasty" looking, we would prefer a professional objective look at charts and the POSSIBILITIES they indicate please. Not everyone loves freezing cold all year round (though that's not the point). Nothing tasty about numb hands, lashing cold winds and a runny nose, unless you like the taste of your own snot dribbling into your mouth.