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Lol, I present evidence as to when the PDO switched but the goalposts get moved because it doesn't back up the theory of using oceanic heat diatribution as the cause of the pause. The only proof we will get is real time observational from the here and now, so it's a case of watch this space and keep an eye out on those surface temps over the coming years as that's where we'll see any changes a coming.

http://forum.netweat...44#entry2859180 Well compared to the "it's behind you theory" hidden in the oceans then that's just as good a guess. But my own personal opinion is that we have just overestimated CO2 and underestimated natural forcings, or maybe that's to simplistic for some eh! Yes because prior to that we had a couple of years of a cool phase before it switched back to a warmer phase. You sometimes see these small fluctuations prior to a longer term switch.

I think one of the main reasons of conflict with regards to the pause is that too many are trying to attach a reason for this without any evidence and for me that's what makes the whole debate fascinating, as none of us know where we are heading and so all we can offer is at best, a guesstimate. For anyone claiming to know otherwise is at worst a fabricator of stories or simply deliberately misleading, I certainly don't know whether global temps will rise or fall but one way or another we will find out and that's going to make those who proclaim to know the future look rather foolish I would imagine.

Here we go. http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-background-articles/the-pacific-decadal-oscillation/

If you wish to converse in a sensible and scientific way then may I suggest we do it elsewhere as this thread isn't for this.

Simple if we are going to attribute the pause with the PDO then we also have to utilise its warming influence also. There's no deriding there just simple facts, I realise that it maybe hard to grasp for some but you cannot include one natural driver as and when it suites. Now you've put all of your toys back in your pram have you actually anything worthwhile too say, or is your argument based on your inability to converse with sceptics without the constant trolling and posts about Watts and co.

Unrequited love.

And yet not one scientific explanation can really explain the pause, the PDO most certainly not as that only went negative in September 2007. The plain truth is that not one climate scientist saw it coming an yet now hundreds with hindsight can explain it away with bad science. The onus isn't on me to explain to millions of taxpayers as to why the warnings were wrong, that should be up to your lot. Still playing lets find the missing heat content should keep you lot occupied for at least another decade.

Lol, humour isn't one of your strong points then. It was meant as a tongue in cheek reply for your constant drive for posting anything and everything against a sceptical opinion. If you wish merely to discuss scientific facts instead of cheap jibes then let's discuss the pause in global surface temps or how continuing rising CO2 levels aren't impacting as they were proposed to do. Like your comments on climate misleaders? Which is far far more derogatory then anything I've seen posted anywhere else on any forum.

Lol, best analogy of where we are what is required.

I'm not buying that December can be written off for any sustained cold spell granted with the first half you can, but we all know just how quick things can and do change even with the flattest of patterns. Yes it's looks unlikely but not impossible for the latter part of the month.

You could always do a forecast for the States Jo, plenty of interesting weather going on over there.

Lol, funny and so true and one were climate manipulators try to deceive the public on historical climate data with fanciful graphs and amusing rhetoric.

It's that UV fluctuation and how that correlates with the Hadley pressure cell, not just now with low solar output but one has to look at the last 100 years when solar output was at its highest and how UV output pushed the Hadley pressure cell polewards Aside all of that, a good post BFTV.

Indeed, but they have and continue to miss the biggest player of them all and that is the big ball of fire in the sky. As for the slowdown, well a pause is a pause and the official stance remains that of no further warming for 17 years. Of course warming may well resume at some point, but if it doesn't or temps start to decline whilst CO2 continues to rise then there really is nowhere to hide and no amount of find the missing heat content will alter the fact that some scientists have way overestimated the importance of CO2. Food for though BFTV and if we do see global temps rise then obviously sceptics are wrong and the theory is sound.

Not at all as I believe there is a correlation within a correlation if you know what I mean as going of the previous few years there has been a lag time of around 2-4 weeks when there has been a change in output of this cycle, nothing scientific to back up such claims merely casual observations.

Lol, ignoring your remarks about my ego ( humour really ) what the MetO has to say as a causation is pretty damming in their own defence of the theory. The reason being that you cannot attribute the PDO for a pause in the warming when a. The PDO didn't change to negative until September2007 and b. If we can attribute the PDO for causing a slowdown, then why can't we say it's mainly responsible for the warming of the last 30 years, combined with a solar cycle that has been one of the strongest in over a 100 years?

Lol, sorry Miss but he started it.

Mid century pause Lol, care to look back further just in case you've missed something. Let's deal in the here and now, we have and again I may have to SHOUT this as the facts don't seem to be sinking in. 17 years and counting of no further warming in the global surface data sets, now are you accusing the MetO of having a cooling agenda or as most proponents of the science do accept this as a fact. Take your time I realise how difficult this question regarding the pause is for you.

I'll go with what the MetO and the official sources say not some fudged data young man, global surface temps have stalled for 17 years, no amount of lies and deception will alter those facts.

MOD thread is now being serviced until further notice, or when that big spoiler the PV decides it's outstayed its welcome.

What about the big white elephant in the room, you know that one what says what warming........ Yeah that one which is knocking on 20 years. Still keep the scare stories coming they do amuse me and that I'm eternally gratefully for.

Lol, and I was thinking I was responding to knocker previously........ It's been a bloody long day that's my excuse.

Damn and blast, that's that theory busted then.