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  1. Can I see you're winter forecast for last year Winters Tale?How accurate was it?

    Unfortuantly I didn't have a forecast for last winter however I did somehow feel that something relatively significant may occur during that winter.

  2. Updated PWS Extreme Long Range Forecast - UK:

    DECEMBER 2011:

    COLDER than the Average. On the average or drier than average for MOST parts, BAR Nothern Ireland, Scotland, Northern England and Ireland.

    White Christmas - 33%

    JANUARY 2012:

    COLDER than average GENERALLY. SIGNIFICANTLY COLDER than average for SCOTLAND and NORTH EAST ENGLAND.

    Drier than average for many areas, BAR SCOTLAND and NORTH EAST ENGLAND.

    FEBRUARY 2012:

    COLDER than average. ESPECIALLY early month.

    WETTER than average for much of SCOTLAND, NOTHERN IRELAND, IRELAND, NOTHERN ENGLAND and MIDLANDS.

    ***************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

    A forecast to only be taken by a pinch of salt however it makes for quite interesting reading.

    Now it's time for A Winter's Tale first look at the weather over the coming Months:

    A WINTER'S TALE FORECAST - VERSION 1 - 7/8/2011

    AUGUST 2011:

    Following a period of settled/warm conditions, the UK should be under the influence of Low Pressure coming from the west. This should bring windy and wet weather across the UK for about a week. The hardest hit areas should be much of Scotland, parts of Northern England and Northern Ireland. The Midlands should be overcast aswell as parts of eastern coasts and Northern parts of Wales. Much of the South and East should remain fairly settled and dry however the South West may be at risk of some heavy rain.

    Following this unsettled spell we should see a calmer and warmer spell of weather arriving from the South/East. Much of Southern and Eastern England, Southern Wales and Eastern Scotland should benefit from sunshine and pleasant temperatures whereas western areas of England and Wales and SW Scotland may be at risk of rain and cloud cover though the Highlands of Scotland will vary with some days of prolonged rain and some days of wall-wall sunshine.

    Unsettled South Westerly winds should follow the calmer spell. This will bring rain and wind to all parts though NW England and Scotland will hold onto the rain longer than other regions. There should be some showery spells and sunshine inbetween fronts.

    SEPTEMBER 2011:

    The month will begin with a brief warm spell with temperatures of 20c-26c in the South and East of England and temps of 15c-23c in other regions. The NW Highlands should hold onto extensive low cloud cover.

    The Atlantic will intervene and bring extensive and heavy rainfall to all parts with notably heavy rain for parts of Scotland and Northern England. There could be a risk of flooding and it will feel positively autumnal with temps of 9c-13c under overcast skies and high winds.

    After an unsettled period, High pressure should prevail and eventually bring a spell of summery weather to much of the UK. Widespread sunshine and temps around the high teens to mid twenties for most parts. Cloud cover only restricted to Eastern coasts and some upland areas.

    The High Pressure will eventually move to a position that will bring slighly cooler conditions, albeit sunny. Winds will strenghen and there may be a slight touch of frost under clear skies in rural areas.

    Winds will turn to more of northerly which will bring plenty of showers under a fresh wind. By Day, temperatures will be pleasant however by night we may see some cold temperatures and some frost. Some showers may be wintry on the highest Scottish peaks.

    OCTOBER 2011:

    A Polar maritime theme will replace the nothernly airstream and bring unsettled conditions with plenty of showers, cloud cover and low pressure systems. Expect strong winds and some flooding.

    Yet again High pressure will begin to dominate and the UK will be under an easterly/south easterly air stream. This may bring some warm temperatures to the South East, however the UK should enjoy extensive sunshine. There may be some frost by night in Scotland.

    The period following the settled conditions will see a mixture of two or three (or maybe more) days of settled conditions, followed by one or two days of unsettled Atlantic dominated conditions followed by cloud cover moving west to east before settled conditions prevail again. Some periods of settled/unsettled conditions may be longer than others. It will feel positively autumnal.

    The last few days of October should see a front leaving the UK with some fog and cloud cover following behind and a clear/cloudy and cool Halloween night could be possible.

    NOVEMBER 2011:

    Simular to October, there will be days of settled conditions, days of low pressure then cloud/fog before the UK is under a brief period of either NW, N, NE winds. The first few days will see one or two low pressure systems passing over the UK, leaving the country under more settled albeit cooler conditions for Bonfire Night 2011.

    Folllowing Bonfire Night, there should be a few settled days. There may be some showers and these could be wintry in some nothern areas. The atlantic may appear once more.

    Following a burst of activity from the atlantic, just before mid month we will see the UK under a brief cold spell. Temperatures may range from 1c in some highland areas to 9c in the SW. A Low pressure system from the west will end the cold spell however there could be some battleground snowfalls - most likely in nothern areas.

    A few days of showery conditions and local prolonged cloud cover will dominate most of the UK although some areas such as local Highland spots, S Wales, S England and London may escape such conditions.

    Throughout most of November, a cold pool had developed over parts of Northern and Eastern Europe. Like much of the summer/spring High pressure will develop either: over greenland; over the atlantic; to the north; to the east.

    During the last third/quarter of the month, the UK will be under an easterly/north easterly airstream with the wind in NE Scotland originating from Scandinavia/Siberia and the wind in E Scotland/ England originating from the Baltics, Southern Scandinavia and Central/Eastern Europe. The UK will see temperatures dropping each day and there will be frost by night everwhere. However eastern parts of the UK will be hardest hit by snow showers and there should be some decent accumilations to begin with. Southern England and Central Scotland will also suffer occasionally from heavy, persistent snow showers from the east.

    During the last quarter of the month the cold spell should intensify with temperatures not rising above freezing for many areas and night time temperatures to begin with dropping to somewhere between -2c in the warmest urban areas to -15c (or below) in Highland Scotland however day by day the temperatures will drop and -20c may be hit before the month is out and temps of -5c to -10c may become a common occurance during the night. However the east of the UK will bear the brunt of the snow with much of NE England, E/NE/C Scotland being worst hit although there will be days of crisp, winter sunshine with flurries. The north of Scotland may be under more of a NNE wind later on and Northern Ireland/W Scotland may be under a northerly wind with snow showers. These showers may emerge to become more persistent and widespread in the Irish Sea to affect parts of Wales and SW England.

    DECEMBER 2011:

    The first 5-10 days of December will see the UK to continuing to be in an intense cold spell with severe frosts by night and snowfalls. Snowfalls will vary with eastern/central parts of England/Scotland have heavy snow showers one day/ then only a few flurries the next. However when it's not snowing we can expect very cold temperatures by day with some places not rising above -7c. The focus point of the snow will change each day as each region will have their shot of the snow. Night time temperatures will be around -4c (in the warmest cities) to -25c in the coldest rural areas of Scotland. After a period of widespread snow showers across all parts, the UK will eventually be under a more settled spell will prevail with clear skies under a NE wind with some flurries. However it will be incredibly cold with day time temperatures not even rising above -5c for most parts and -20c will become more common by night (and not only in rural parts of Scotland). Towards the end of the period the activity of showers will increase once again.

    The cold spell over the UK will lose its intestity as High pressure moves slightly and winds come from more of a southerly and for some parts SE/SW. This will raise temperatures a bit (particulary for the south) however the north of Scotland should remain the cold conditions. This period will see little in the way of precipiation with only occasional drizzle, otherwise it will be dry and clear. However whilst the UK is under a slightly less cold period of weather, the core of cold will remain over Scandinavia, Eastern/Central Europe. This will grow into an even more intesne cold spell that will eventually breakthrough and reach the UK.

    After snow depths exceeded 40cm in Eastern parts with 30cm recorded in some central areas, there was only 5-25cm of snow left after a less cold period. However the southerly airstream would be pushed westwards as high pressure rises in Nothern Scandinavia and the Greenland high re-astablishes itself again. For the first few days, daytime temperatures will be chilly with frost by night. However, like the last cold spell, it will get colder and colder day by day - only this time it will become more propminent.

    Sometime around the 17th, the UK will see the first snow showers arriving in SE England. Daytime temps of 1c to -4c to begin with and night time temps of -3c to -12c. Like the last cold spell, Scotland will bear the brunt of the snow only this time its worse with snow showers travelling over the mountains and affecting some western highland and island areas. Northern Ireland will also benefit from the easterly airstream with snow showers passed on from central scotland. Like the last cold spell, it won't be persistent snow showers every day, there will be a variety in snowfall. Southern/Central England and Wales is also more likely to be affected in this cold spell with some heavy and large areas of snowfalls from the continent/north sea picking up intestity over the channel. This could bring some prolonged and exceptionally widespread snowfall over the southern half of the UK. There will be some quiter days in terms of snowfall, however the cold will become more intense on clear days with temps not rising above -10c in some areas and temps of -15c to -25c will become far more common.

    On the days before Christmas, the UK will see a variety of conditions with a blizzard in the moring (or night) with a mostly sunny day with flurries and a night with some showers (or vice versa). I expect everwhere to see some snow, however any snowfall will come from large areas of precipiation followed by periods of winter sunshine with some flurries. To sum it up it will be a mixture of sunshine, flurries and heavy snow each day. Temperatures will reach their coldest. Christmas should see the same them with periods of large, widespread showers crossing the country followed by sparkling wintry sunshine.

    After Christmas, some atlantic fronts may reach the channel and spread as far north as the midlands before clearing into the Netherlands. This will bring very heavy snowfall for a time and add to any present accumilations. Snow showers will continue for NE England and Scotland though the theme should be more settled but bitterly cold. Eventually, things may warm up a touch in the south with a thaw though the cold will remain in nothern areas. For the New Year, an atlantic front will engulf the UK and bring widespread snowfall.

    MY FORECAST FOR JANUARY WILL BE ISSUED NEXT MONTH ASWELL AS AN UPDATE FOR THE OTHER MONTHS.

    A Winter's Tale

  3. Positive Weather Solutions have update their rather extreme long range outlook:

    DECEMBER 2011:

    On the average temperature wise.

    Slightly wetter than average in all parts bar Wales, Central and Southern England.

    JANUARY 2012:

    COLDER than Average generally. SIGNIFICANTLY COLDER than average for SCOTLAND.

    Slightly WETTER than average for SCOTLAND and NORTH EAST ENGLAND.

    FEBRUARY 2012:

    COLDER than Average.

    Slightly wetter than average for Scotland and North East England.

    A long way off but it doesn't sound too bad. Preferably I would like to see freezing conditions arriving just before Christmas and lasting into January with some cold snaps earlier on in December.

    For temperatures to be SIGNIFICANTLY COLDER than average for Scotland would suggest a relatively extreme cold snap and for precipitation to be higher than average for North East England and Scotland suggests that an easterly.

  4. Its about time we had a really severe February cold wise, wouldn't mind a near average winter upto February then a near record breaking cold one to finish it off, just to show the doubters how cold February really can be.

    Personally I would prefer most of the action to happen in December though it can really spoil some people's holiday plans (aswell as make them). So one month of severe cold (a la December 2010) during the winter would be nice (preferably December though if that isn't possible I would like a period of pretty cold and snowy weather during that month). For the rest of the winter I would like a mix of storms, rain, sunshine, frost, fog, potent short cold snaps and battleground snowfalls.

    However lets be realistic and look towards this winter:

    It looks like the Blocking Pattern has been quite dominant in weather patterns recently though I wonder if we have used most of up with this current summer. However this summer is following the pattern of the previous few years with a decent spring followed by a poor summer with a cold winter. In each of the past few seasons we have seen a prolonged period of this blocking pattern so there is no reason suggest that it will not happen during the upcoming winter. In the past month or so I have posted my opinion about the upcoming winter so there is no need for me to repeat myself but I do stress that this winter could end up being anything ranging from a near mess winter to a jackpot winter. With the way things have been going recently I would quite confidently say that I don't see a winter that has no significant cold snaps. In my opinion I would say that sometime this winter we may see something significant and it could be a Feb 2009 or a Dec 2010. This year I have a feeling that we will experience another nationwide cold snap with severity ranging from 2-10cm nationwide for less than a week to 10-40cm nationwide for 2 or more weeks in either December or February. So that's my verdict, It's winter so expect something cold and snowy along the way and therefore prepare for it.

    I would just like to add that I have found that during the past few years, December has been quite a cold month or a month that has seen something in the way of cold. Though I'd like to know if there is any scientific or meterological evidence or theory to suggest/explain why December is becoming more of a colder month.

  5. Forecast issued by A Winter's Tale at 1411 hours:

    Spring:

    Day 1:

    MORNING - A Calm start to the day with blue skies everywhere. Temperature of 12c.

    NOON/AFTERNOON - A Warm day with very little breeze and no cloud cover and a temperature of 18c.

    EVENING/NIGHT - Still clear with temperatures lowering to around 14c and then to a minimum of 8c.

    Day 2:

    MORNING - Prolonged Rain arrives from the west followed by heavy, frequent showers driven by a strong north westerly wind. Temperature of 10c.

    NOON/AFTERNOON - Predomiantely pleasant with occasional showers with some hail. Temperatures maxing at 16c with light breeze.

    EVENING/NIGHT - A cold front arrives from NNW that brings light rain. Clear skies and cold temperatures once the front passes. Minimum temperature of 3c.

    Day 3:

    MORNING - A cold start to the day with some developing frost in places under clear skies and no wind. Temperature of 4c.

    NOON/AFTERNOON - Predominately clear and calm with the odd shower. Still cold with maximum temperatures of 7c.

    EVENING/NIGHT - A cold, crisp night with a widespread frost developing under a potent northerly wind, bringing some showers. Minimum temperature of -4c.

    Day 4:

    MORNING - A very cold morning with sunshine and wintry showers. Icy surfaces with some accumulitaing snow has forced the Met Office to issue a CODE Yellow warning. Temperature of -1c.

    NOON/AFTERNOON - A Cold day with frequent snow showers giving accumilations up to 2cm (though clearing by 2pm). Max temp of 1c.

    EVENING/NIGHT -A Bitterly cold evening to begin with clear skies and freezing temperatures. However a massive front from the west brings massive frontal snowfall. Accumilations up to 40cm and Met Office CODE Red Warning. -2c

    Day 5:

    MORNING - After a cold and snowy start, things begin to bright up with clear skies all around under a pleasant breeze. Temperature of 3c with a slow thaw of lying snow. Avoid travelling.

    NOON/AFTERNOON - A fantastic afternoon with clear skies and warm sunshine. Temperatures of 10c with snow depths of less than 20cm.

    EVENING/NIGHT - Still clear with temperatures of 3c. Snow depths of less than 10cm.

    Day 6:

    MORNING - A brief warm front passes over bringing some rain. However fine, clear and warm conditions follow the rain. Snow depths of 5cm and temperatures of 6c.

    NOON/AFTERNOON - A pleasant day with temperatures of 16c and little breeze with sunshine. Remaining snow cover dissapearing under warm conditions.

    EVENING/NIGHT - A cool night with no breeze. Minimum temperatures of 6c.

    Day 7:

    MORNING - Another fantastic morning with warm sunshine and temperatures of >13c. A light breeze with little cloud cover.

    NOON/AFTERNOON - A warn day with temperatures exceeding 20c and very little wind.

    EVENING/NIGHT - A cooler end to the day with temperatures of 13c with continuing sunshine.

    A Winter's Tale will issue his 7 day Summer;Autumn; Winter forecast later.

  6. What a marvellous post. I haven't seen anyone as hyped up about the weather on this thread since me in December 2009. Unfortunately, it's not likely to last much longer as our old friend the Atlantic returns http://www.netweathe.../48/h500slp.png turning the charts the colour of AWT's face as he realises that the muckle big yellow lump in the sky has left the scene again and summer returns to a miserly 30% loaded http://www.netweathe.../72/h500slp.png http://www.netweathe.../96/h500slp.png Still there.

    Still there even into next weekend according to the GFS http://www.netweathe...144/h500slp.png

    Marginally better into FI with perhaps the hint of more settled weather again http://www.netweathe...171/h500slp.png

    The ECM makes us wait even longer though http://www.wetterzen...s/Recm2161.html

    The ensembles suggest something similar to the GFS operational, with a fairly weak ridge building in, though that kind of flow looks like it could give some fairly cloudy weather, especially towards the NW highlands and the Hebrides.

    Anyway, I'd best be off now, starting my Nuffield Project placement at St Andrews Uni tomorrow on SSTs and and the regional climate of Scotland. I'll let you know if I discover something particularly novel.

    LS

    Oh No, not the same old grey skies and temps of 15c.

    It seems that we've been in a blocked weather pattern recently with the Greenland High present once more. I'm curious to find out if there was either a Greenland high or a Scandi High that caused the warm weather in Late April/Early May. If so, it looks good for there to be another potent cold spell next winter.

    I better start ramping up the prospects of another great winter after Weather Online and The Weather Outlook hinted at not rulling at cold winter :yahoo:

  7. Summer has returned in style as I sunbaved in the backgarden during the almost unbearable evening heat coming from the alien looking yellow globe thingy in the sky. I never used to think that the world was flat, however I used to believe that the sky was grey, but recently I've been proved wrong and it turns out that the sky is actually, actually and I repeat ACTUALLY BLUE!!!!!!

    After enjoying a session of lemonade, I had the oppurtunity to lie back on the "Chair for Relaxing in the Garden" and I observed this unfamiliar sky. I noticed some strange little fluffly feathers that some excentric people called Cirrus. I thought to myself, who's Cirrus! That may be my next quest after discovering the sky is infact Blue.

    My family introduced me to some strange object called Barbie Que but in Code Language it was regarded as a BBQ. It looked wounderful and the food it produced was just marvelous. For the first time, we amazingly ate outside :gathering: . I used to think it was against the law to eat outside or even spend more than an hour of leisue outside.

    Anyway, I am now going to become the youngest ever person to have a PhD due to my discovery of the Yellow Globe and the Blue carpet from above. You never know, I may be as unlucky as Brian May from Queen to get a PhD. Enjoy the rest of this 69% complete summer...............before it goes all the way back down to an inspiring 44% complete. Maybe lady luck is on my side as it goes all the way down to a precious 13%.

    Regards - A very overwhelmed A Winter's Tale....

  8. I would agree that Weather Online seems to be an amatuer organisation as their forecasts keep chopping and changing day by day. By the way, their forecast for August is looking glum so they better be amatuer :whistling: .

    Over on the weather outlook, Brian Gaze gave his thoughts about the upcoming winter:

    "Still looking mixed for the next week or two. The big picture is fairly clear, and pretty much textbook. Low pressure to the north west, high pressure to the south west, and Britain squeezed in the middle with a predominantly Atlantic flow. The details are more complex though, especially further south because down here we could see warmer conditions at times as low pressure to the north west becomes slow moving, causing warmer air over the near continent to be pulled towards us. Despite that, I can’t at the moment offer any realistic prospects of another heatwave in the next couple of weeks, but something could still pop up at short notice. This is turning into a summer like the ones I remember when growing up in the 1980s. The hot spells we often had between 1990 and 2006 were in my view anomalous and not typical, and neither were the exceptionally mild winters. Talking of winter, as I’ve said before don’t write off the possibility of winter 2011/12 being cold, just because the last 3 have been. If the odds of landing a head are 60% when you toss a coin, and you get 3 heads in succession, do you think probability suggests the fourth throw will give you a tail? It doesn’t it suggests you are more likely to throw a head again. Think about it…"

    I Would tend to agree with Brian Gaze's comment rather than the one published on Weatheronline.

    We can all have our feelings and senses about the weather, however we really can't say anything much about it at the moment. All we can say is that winter is meant to be the coldest time of the year so therefore we can expect snowfalls, and when we get it there is no excuse for going mad about half a cm of snow cause it's winter and you should expect some snowfalls during the winter.

    Regardless of what the winter is like as a whole, the potential for nothern blocking is there and as we all know, when that happens we can expect some severe winter weather for a period. So three colder than average winters in a row, I wonder if 2011/2012 would be a forth (and the last three winters have had a cold period(s) that seem to get worse each year). I'd like to know if December is now becoming more of a potent winter month now as the last three have been cold and to my knowledge, we've had cold Christmas Days during the last 5 years (or maybe it's I Can't remember when was the last time we had a mild Christmas).

    My thoughts on winter: Well as Brian said, you can't rule out cold weather during winter, especially with Nothern Blocking becoming more prominent aswell as the fact that we've got cold air sitting to our North West, North, North East, East and even South East. At the moment I think it's on a knife-edge between a noticibly cold winter overall (that failed to materialise after December 2010 as potential cold snaps were so near but yet so far), a mixed winter overall (with cold snaps and mild periods) and a milder winter overall. However I do feel that during some time in the winter, Nothern Blocking would reappear and deliver some bitterly cold air to our part of the world as well as snow. With the way winters have been going recently, I feel that we are not going to see the endless, mild Bartlett driven winters that we experienced during the noughties. My gut feeling is that we are going to see a winter that will have a potent blast with the rest of the time having cold interludes/snaps aswell as milder periods.

    All we can do is wait and see and that seems to be the way the Weather Online organisation have adopted recently!

  9. Summer has returned during the past days and amazingly I was actually able to sit in the backgarden for wee while yesterday!!!!!!!!

    Today started off fine but it has no become a little more overcast. The sunshine recently better be a sign for the rest of the summer!!!! i.e a big improvement before we settle into autumn and rampage into winter.

  10. Incredibly dull day here and it's alreadly dark enough for me to turn the lights on. Quite depressing weather and I'm craving for a prolonged spell of sunshine and temps of 20c +. I BET that most Scots and suffering from SADS in this Summer rather than the winter just gone by.

    It's so dull that I am already looking at some videos of Snow!!!!!!!

    Can't quite believe that during Late April and early May, we got the backgarden done really nice and after it being worked on during the April heat, we've only been able to use it (and the BBQ) once since May. If you ask me about where summer has gone, my answer would be April and Early May was summer 2011. My prediction - Blizzards in September :yahoo:

  11. I think I recall a minimum of 13c in London during one winter night and that is warmer than what we've got here (12c). Not too often I say this in summer, but I really can't wait until Autumn and really, really can't wait till winter. Hopefully there will be a hot and sunny period in the coming months, and hopefully it will happen in early in August when I'm in Morar.

    I'm now starting to believe that summer ended on the 8th May (my Birthday) after one heck of a smashing April. 2011 is already starting to look like an incredibly messed up year weather-wise with winter gales in May, November rains in June, summer heat waves in April...... and we better have a dry, clear autumn and a very snowy and sub-zero winter.

  12. Ah Yes Autumn, quite a special time (like every season). I love the sunshine in all three months, the heat on a warmish september day. I also like the first feeling of cold in September and the first frosts in October. By October time, usually prefer cold nights and morning and pleasant afternoons with sunshine. Fog can be quite good in October along with the odd cold snap, august like day and occasional rainfall. The light during October can also be special and I usually like the feeling of approching December. Of course, Halloween and Guy Fawkes night are special and conditions such as clear skies and cold nights between late October and Mid November can be special.

    Now to predictions of the upcoming Autumn, all I can say (judging on the weather we've had so far this year) is I don't have a real clue. However looking back at patterns of this year I might come up with something.

    January - After harsh December, we were treated to a mixture of Atlantic storms, dull days, cold, crisp nights and some snowy days. All in all it was a bit of a mix.

    February - There were some snowfalls and cold days, however by the end of the month things began to warm up and look Spring like (like Late November became winter).

    March - After spring like conditions, Winter returned with some snow (and for the last time). Eventually things began to clear up and it became quite a pleasant month.

    April - High pressure dominated and we had a warm, sunny spell (that now looks to have been our summer). Nothing cold and rarely wet.

    May - Warm and settled until My Birthday (8th May - that was quite a nice day). After that, thunderstorms arrived and then it became really wet and windy. My Uncle's newly built stables near Freuchie (Fife) lost it's roof in a powerful storm.

    June - So Far, it has been pretty poor with the odd nice day and one thunder shower.

    So by looking at the past few months, I believe we can see a mixture of weather types this Autumn. I expect some warm days in September, along with jet stream influenced spells, clear and calm periods and potentially another cold end to the month. Looking at recent news about the sun, it seems that it has become a little more active, however it is still pretty low for max. If this keeps up, we could see some warm and cold weather this autumn.

  13. You have an impressive memory A Winter's Tale. How do you remember such specifics when you were only 3? You must have been near buried!

    Have you got any old photos?

    Home Videos have dates on them. Some of the dates are guesses on events and objects such as type of car at the time. Dec 1999 is one of the clearest early memories I have. I kind of started this thread about snow events that I can't get a date for as there was quite a few decent ones.

  14. Was 2001/2002 a La Nina winter or did the Atlantic just play silly monkeys? Even at the age of 10, I noticed what a dramatic turn around there was in that winter, wondering if the snow would ever return. It did, for about 5 minutes during a particular potent Pm spell around 26th-28th February.

    @A Winter's Tale, looking back at particular charts with reference to 'Christmas Shopping', the 1999-2002 wasn't brilliant for pre-Christmas snow, though 1995-1999 was much better; the following could have been dates you were talking about:

    http://www.wetterzen...00119951206.gif

    http://www.wetterzen...00119961221.gif

    http://www.wetterzen...00119971217.gif

    http://www.wetterzen...00119991219.gif

    The date was 4th December 1999.

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