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2 hours ago, matty007 said:
I also believe that the information regarding surface transmission is woefully underreported. All we're hearing about is 'wash your hands' and yes, this is important also. However, given that SARS-Cov2 viral particles were shown to be able to survive on stainless steel and plastic for up to 3 days, it is very important that we ensure we are also disinfecting surfaces regularly.
This is likely a very common mode of transmission, in my opinion.
We must also remember that it is highly likely that Covid is able to transmit via aerosolization
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1.full.pdfPeople talk about the success of some far eastern countries in limiting cases through testing and isolation; I'm sure their stringent policies on regular spraying and cleaning of surfaces has played a part. When you see hundreds of workers, in PPE, just devoted to the sanitisation of their cities it is a concept that's never seen in the west.
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In Italy, a small town of 3000 tested ... 50-75% were asymptomatic at time of testing yet still give positive result and were highly infectious.
QuoteROME - "The vast majority of people infected with Covid-19, between 50 and 75%, are completely asymptomatic but represent a formidable source of contagion". The Professor of Clinical Immunology of the University of Florence Sergio Romagnani writes this at the top of the Tuscany Region, in anticipation of a strong increase in cases also in the Region, on the basis of the study on the inhabitants of Vo 'Euganeo where the 3000 inhabitants of the country are been subjected to swab.
The immunologist explains that the data provided by the study carried out on all the inhabitants of Vo 'Euganeo highlight two very important information: "the percentage of infected people, even if asymptomatic, in the population is very high and represents the majority of cases above all, but not only that, among young people; and the isolation of asymptomatics is essential to be able to control the spread of the virus and the severity of the disease ".
Coronavirus: "Il 50-75% dei casi a Vo' sono asintomatici. Una formidabile fonte di contagio"
WWW.REPUBBLICA.ITLettera dell'immunologo Romagnani alla Regione Toscana basandosi su una ricerca effettuata sugli ammalati del paesino veneto. "Ora bisogna cercare di-
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2 hours ago, kold weather said:
2 new deaths reported in Switzerland overnight, and 6 new deaths in South Korea, so the death rate continues to tick up there.
I hope we can get less deaths today in the UK, because the last three days have out us on pace with Spain, and even worse than Italy at the same point.
Remember that Italy changed to reporting only hospitalised cases: prior to that testing was to track and trace and had a much larger scope in the community. To compare accurately, you need to know the policy and how the tally is calculated.
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9 minutes ago, matty007 said:
Yes.
Not only is this bad news for the health sector, but for citizens too. N95 masks are now hideously expensive, indeed too much for most. When I see people wearing surgical masks, I want to stop and tell them that they are so ineffective with viruses such as this, but I don't want to be rude. N95 masks are what people need.
If China doesn't have an adequate supply, there is nothing we can do. Not only that, and perhaps more worrying, is that we could possibly have a shortage of antibiotics too. Very bad news if you have to treat bacterial pneumonia due to Covid.
I thought N95 had to be properly fitted and therefore only suitable for use in the front line or was that to stop public purchasing precious resources that were needed by professionals. I'm wearing a medical mask when out but it's to stop me touching my face.
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9 minutes ago, Stabilo19 said:
Why on earth is the NHS running low on masks when the government have known about this since January.
I think the production of material has been interrupted in China and every nation will be hoarding for themselves. I suspect some medicines will also be in short supply for a similar reason. This was warned about early in the outbreak but far too late to do anything about it now.
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40 minutes ago, CreweCold said:
Easy. Tribunal for unfair dismissal. Company hardly has a leg to stand on at the moment.
Yes, unfortunately takes too long when the priority now is to feed the family.
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4 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:
EU says no non-essential travel allowed to the EU for 30 days, from today. Just announced on Sky News.
Before anyone asks, i do not know how they are defining "non-essential travel".
Should solve the dilemma of those arguing about travel and allow for refunds and insurance to kick in.
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19 minutes ago, Azazel said:
Regarding Ibuprofen use - a virologist offers a counter-argument to ibuprofen = bad.
They are not suggesting increased susceptibility from taking those drugs but that you can suffer from more severe disease if they are taken while you are unwell with Covid.
Anti-inflammatories may aggravate Covid-19, France advises | World news | The Guardian
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5 minutes ago, Man With Beard said:
Are we being softened up for tough measures?
I suspect that is the case. You might be interested to read this study.
Here’s what coronavirus does to the body
WWW.NATIONALGEOGRAPHIC.COMFrom blood storms to honeycomb lungs, here’s an organ-by-organ look at how COVID-19 harms humans. -
4 minutes ago, nick sussex said:
Some very concerning news from France .
Apart from the increase in deaths from 91 to 120.
Cases up 900 to 5400.
Doctors over recent days have noticed an increase in severe illness amongst those 30 and over who had no underlying conditions .
Same in Holland...
This family shared their story to shock the complacency of their young folk.
QuoteAt home in Breda, in quarantine, the Sehraz family lives between hope and fear. Brother Babor (24) wants to tell their sad story on behalf of his parents and sister Razia (23). “To wake up the Netherlands. Be careful."
On Facebook he calls everyone to pray for his brother: 'The corona virus is deadly. Also for people who are young. The proof is there. We want to warn all of you as a family. We also thought it was a joke and now look at us: we're going through a HELL! Everyone stay inside as much as possible! If I save at least one human life with this, my goal will be successful. "
He repeats his words over the phone. And says, "We don't want any more casualties. That other families have to experience that their youngest is deathly ill. ”
Headache
Sehraz was always healthy and happy. Until last Thursday, when he complained of nausea and headaches. A flu was first thought. It took several days, but on Wednesday they received shocking confirmation after numerous investigations at the Amphia hospital in Breda: the corona virus had hit the boy.
He was transferred to Rotterdam and is now on ventilation. "As long as he can't breathe properly himself, they keep him artificially asleep," Babor says anxiously.
Cry for help
All Sehraz's big brother and his family can do now is hope and pray. Together with as many friends as possible, whether or not via Facebook. "Wake up," Babor begs. His cry for help is addressed to his brother. And to the whole world.
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29 minutes ago, Zak M said:
Another appalling example of fake news !!
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34 minutes ago, matty007 said:
Testing and contact tracing go hand in hand. If you have a very small number of cases in the UK, and isolate one case, you can test that case, and then find out who they have been in contact with. You then repeat until you have isolated the spread. Once you have countless cases, how is this possible? So you test 400 people, in four days, there will be another 800. It's like running after a bullet train with no shoes.
You cannot even do that successfully with a virus spread while asymptomatic and especially, one that can survive on surfaces for a considerable time. This was seen in action in Washington state: genetic tracing proves patient #1 led to the cascade being witnessed now.
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3 minutes ago, kold weather said:
A poor summer will mean we are never that far outside of the optimal region for this virus to survive anyway. A hot summer obviously will do it wonders but its not a cure by any stretch.
I think we will probably peak earlier than the govt and its adivisors think, I know they are aiming for June but I think May is probably realistic at the moment, maybe trailing into early June.
The theory of summer fall-off is people being outdoors and virus not surviving on surfaces. If people are stuck indoors in a lockdown, this rather negates summer benefits.
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12 minutes ago, snowdog said:
That's a good tracker.Unfortunately the UK will probably drop off now surely, due to the fact that only cases in hospital will be tested for the virus?
I'm sure I read, early on, testing would stop when community spread was confirmed and pandemic declared. In other words, testing is only effective in the early stage when identification and isolation might mean something. Beyond that, people with symptoms are then just assumed to have the disease and will be added to statistics for later analysis of CFR.
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17 minutes ago, kold weather said:
So I've just read what the more extreme plans are suggesting. I'm just stunned that we are actually going to have to go to this level, truly is like being at war with the enemy at your doorstep, something only a small minority of this country will be able to remember.
Especially the changing of manufacturing for ventilators. Without a doubt its going to be needed and sadly in huge quantities.
It's all very well making hundreds of ventilators but according to a specialist on C4 news there's hardly enough specially trained staff to operate the ones we already have.
I'm also confused as to who they are intended for ....
The young don't get sick enough to require: the middle aged ... might be a few serious cases that need ventilation... over 65 and your past the point at which resuscitation by ventilator is considered appropriate.
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This is concerning ....
Quote'We need to change our behaviour now'
“We have, in France, a rapidly developing situation in several parts of the country," the health said.
"We need to do everything in our power to stem the peak of this epidemic," which he confirmed had entered stage 3, meaning the virus is now circulating actively across French territory.
“How the situation develops in the coming days depends on our behaviour," he said.
Salomon stressed that the disease did not just affect older people. He said that 50 percent of the 300 coronavirus patients currently in intensive care in a serious condition were aged under 60.
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https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanres/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8.pdf
QuoteAn article in the Lancet
the increased susceptibility and mortality in some might be related to ACE inhibitor and ARBs medications they are taking to treat hypertension and prevent diabetes complications.
"These data suggest that ACE2 expression is increased in diabetes and treatment with ACE inhibitors and ARBs increases ACE2 expression. Consequently, the increased expression of ACE2 would facilitate infection with COVID-19. We therefore hypothesise that diabetes and hypertension treatment with ACE2-stimulating drugs increases the risk of developing severe and fatal COVID-19."Also mentions Ibuprofen: sure I saw something about that in this thread.
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14 minutes ago, Snowycat said:
I haven’t panic bought anything yet but have stocked up on cat litter, mainly because I’m always at the end of the bag before I order more. However, for me any urge to start thinking about panic buying, in pure response I have to say to what I am seeing going on with regard to this, is driven by these questions.
(1) do we have any idea when we will be put into lockdown?
(2) what does lockdown actually mean and entail - will we be told to stop in doors literally like a curfew or is local travel within the immediate neighbourhood permitted? I hope so as I sometimes have to go and fetch one of naughty cats back from his favourite haunt.
(3) how long are we likely to be in lockdown so to speak - 2 or 3 weeks or potentially longer
(4) will all shops close down or will supermarket home deliveries continue as long as shopping can be left outside and direct contact between delivery man and customer avoided?
Any views or knowledge on this?
All we know is the areas on lockdown in other counties have kept food shops and chemists open.
I suppose it will depend on level of containment and how sections of the public would behave as to what happens here. Also doubt that there are the number of small local shops as compared to areas like Italy and Spain.
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1 hour ago, Donegal said:
Yeah. As the study says where they closed the school the death rate was only one third as high as where they didn't. That should remove all doubt IMO
Of course it removes doubt but situation then was different to now...
1918 flu hit young people very hard: probably very few mothers worked at that time or if they did, extended family tended to be quite close by. Early school closures would have been very effective and a life saving action.
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13 minutes ago, kold weather said:
Thats now 3 teams that are at risk of not being able to play.
This is a joke, even with the government being slow as a slug stopping mass events, its time for the Premier league to step up and know that this is a losing battle.
Maybe the government has realised that events will naturally overtake any timetable of theirs and will thus prevent them being seen as the architects of the drastic measures to come.
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4 minutes ago, Daniel* said:
Like Wuhan all over again...
Veneto asking for full Wuhan measures ....
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The requests of the Veneto
Even the President of the Veneto Region, Zaia, announced that he had asked for even more incisive measures to combat the virus, even without detailing them. "If it continues like this it will all close by force," he said at a press conference. «Today the game is in the hands of the Venetians. I want to see the empty streets, the lights of the rooms turned off, the empty beaches, the deserted squares. Beyond the law: don't go to friends' dinners, don't meet family, don't go out. Each family must remain isolated in their home ».
Corriere della Sera - Ultime Notizie
WWW.CORRIERE.ITNotizie e approfondimenti di cronaca, politica, economia e sport con foto, immagini e video di Corriere TV. Meteo, salute, guide viaggi, Musica e giochi...-
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11 minutes ago, Spikecollie said:
The Italian Chief Medical Officer has died from respiratory faillure due to COVID-19, he was 67.
I think a 'like' is inappropriate for such a subject but want to thank you for posting this.
This must be an additional disheartening blow for all the medical workers who already face the daily challenges. One imagines, all resources would have been employed in this instance ...
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A conference where, out of c175 attendees, 70+ were infected and a led to a cascade of containment, isolation, and quarantines all over the world.
QuoteIt opened with breakfast, at 7 a.m., in the Harbor View Ballroom of the Boston Marriott Long Wharf hotel, where a wide bank of windows offers a sublime view across the inner harbor, steel gray on a cloudy morning, to Logan Airport in the distance.
About 175 executives were expected at the Biogen leadership conference on Feb. 26. Employees from Biogen locations around the United States and the world reunited with colleagues they don’t often get to see.
They greeted each other enthusiastically, with handshakes and hugs, and then caught up over breakfast, picking from plates of pastries and the self-serve hot food bar.
They were there for two days of discussions and presentations about the future of the Cambridge-based, multinational biotech firm, which develops therapies for neurological diseases. It was the kind of under-the-radar gathering that happens in this region just about every week.
Within days, though, the Biogen conference would be infamous, identified as an epicenter of the Massachusetts outbreak of Covid-19, with 70 of 92 coronavirus infections in the state linked to the conference as of Tuesday night, including employees and those who came into contact with them. That doesn’t include a cascade of individual cases in Tennessee, North Carolina, Indiana, New Jersey, Washington, D.C., and Norway, and suspected cases in Germany, Austria, and Argentina.
How the Biogen leadership conference in Boston spread the coronavirus - The Boston Globe
WWW.BOSTONGLOBE.COMAmid ominous signs after a routine conference, a frightening realization slowly dawned: The virus was on the loose.-
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14 minutes ago, nick sussex said:
Ties in with the French data. Liberation had an article covering that .
25% of those in intensive care did not have any underlying conditions .
The title of the article . Le coronavirus n’est pas une grippette .
I saw Italy had their youngest ICU admission yesterday ... 18y/o male.
Interesting that some European countries have avoided the 'comfort blanket' of old/underlying diseases. They will need to be very frank to get population compliance for what will be something the young of the free west have never seen in their lifetime.
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COVID-19 Pandemic
in Space, Science & nature
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I suspect it is coming from this...
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973#.XnGGKWVPq0Q