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1 hour ago, Bristle boy said:
"If it gets going here, it will certainly not be like a normal 'bad flu' season" - how do you know? Can you qualify that statement?
I'm basing it on the assumption that no vaccine protection will increase the numbers in hospital. Covid-19 patients who are seriously ill are in ICU for minimum of 2 to 3 weeks. The NHS does not have the capacity to cope with any large increase in ICU requirement ... all across the spectrum, hospital departments will be put under huge pressure and patient prognosis compromised. Remember the January when all elective surgeries were cancelled: took a year to get that back on track.
Adding some stats and facts from Italy...
Quote114 patients are hospitalized with symptoms, 35 are in intensive care, while 162 are in home isolation.
Higher percentage in ICU than we have seen in Chinese numbers.
Quote"In Italy there is an elderly population and this explains the mortality rates of 2-3%. The elderly are more fragile, we see it with the flu. From the latter we can protect them with the vaccine; since there is no vaccine for Coronavirus there is mortality. The only way to protect them is to limit outbreaks as it is being done. " This was stated by Giovanni Rezza, director of the infectious diseases department of the Istituto Superiore di Sanità in a press conference on Civil Protection.
Reiterates the point about lack of vaccine increasing mortality in the elderly.
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1 hour ago, Snipper said:
Just answered my own question. Check out Pintrest. More than enough patterns. Whether the material you use would be of much use is another matter.
I can remember, many moons ago, being made to wear a thick, woolly scarf over my face when colds and flu were about. I hated it, horrible scratchy thing made from rough wool from our own flock. Always envied my mum's soft, tightly woven silk scarf. Wonder if one of those would act in event of no masks. I don't see mention of gloves but imagine they might help but important thing is to stop touching face and remember, even with mask, don't rub your eyes.
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Healthcare providers, the elderly, at risk population, are invited to avail themselves of seasonal influenza vaccine: that protects both the people and the facilities providing medical services. We see in China, many infected doctors and nurses with sad fatalities among the young in the front line. If it gets going here, it will certainly not be like a normal 'bad flu' season. The only advantage I can see is that we are forewarned and thus better able to protect medical staff with protective gear.
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5 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:
Just cant see many employees of companies self-isolating if they have no symptoms. Back in my office days most of us went to work with colds. So if anyone whose been to Italy or (now) Tenerife in last week or so, and are feeling fine, there is no way they'll call in -
" Hello manager, i'm calling for a few sickie days so wont be back in work this week". Manager replies " Oh no, what is wrong? Are you feeling unwell?". Worker says "No, i feel right as rain". Manager - "Are you taking the proverbial pee? Get your ###### butt in yer or you're out!!"
I think you are right about the people who will not adhere to advice to self isolate but I suspect some shrewd management would rather be short of an employee or two than face business closed indefinitely through an outbreak in staff.
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At present, 14% of patients discharged from Guangdong are "rejuvenated", and the patients have been tested positive for nucleic acid. Does this mean that the patients have re-infected with new coronary pneumonia? Is it still contagious?
In response, Song Tie, deputy director of the Guangdong Provincial Center for Disease Control and Prevention, said that it is now necessary to start sampling and monitoring all discharged patients to understand their situation.
"This is a matter of our profession and a concern of the people. This virus is a brand new virus. The state ’s diagnosis and treatment plan for new coronary pneumonia has also reached the sixth edition, and different diagnosis and treatment plans and protection plans have been released at different times. This issue is an important scientific issue. In fact, we have been monitoring, so our province has recently issued a notice-to strengthen the follow-up notice of discharged patients with new coronary pneumonia, and now we will start to discharge all patients Perform sampling monitoring. "
Song Tie said, "We all know that if it is a positive patient, it must be the source of infection. In terms of prevention and control, it must be managed according to the source of infection. Therefore, in the early stage, we actually already had some people discharged from the city. After monitoring, We also found that, and after that we were told to take strict centralized medical observations and conduct independent observations to see if his condition has recurred. We invited some local clinicians to conduct consultations. "
"We all know that pneumonia is a long-lasting disease, and it may take two to three months to recover. Some elderly people or some people with poor health, pneumonia recovery is slower. This process is similar to tuberculosis "Some people may develop active tuberculosis, and some may recover. We observe that similar conditions may occur with new coronary pneumonia."From Chinese source..
http://www.bjd.com.cn/a/202002/25/WS5e55331ee4b05d1eff0b2e61.html
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7 minutes ago, feb1991blizzard said:
Yes, its those big dirty stomach bug farts that people keep letting off in public places, they are deadly, you can smell them for about 15 minutes afterwards,.
I cannot get the article to embed properly but the quote is ...
QuoteAs far as this author can ascertain (as of Feb. 14, our submission date), the virus-laden gaseous plumes of Amoy Gardens of Hong Kong have not yet been viewed as problematic (with a breaking news exception, as noted below). One does not even have be at a toilet to expel intestinal gas (flatulence), and the typical adult will do this 12 to 25 times a day, producing 0.6 to 1.8 liters of gas [9]. The airborne fecal route may also explain some family-wide infections of the virus, all using the same bathroom, all breathing the same air [10]. Perhaps the infections started with one family member with no visible (respiratory) symptoms. These alternative spreading ideas are not in any way “scientific findings,” only issues worthy of further research. Only research will determine how infectious each type of gas can be.
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1 hour ago, nick sussex said:
Unless this virus behaves in a very weird way then transmission rates should fall in spring/summer .
Warmer conditions mean the virus will have a harder time staying airborne . Also the virus likes to enter the nasal passage and multiply there , the nose is the coldest part of the body , a cold nose in winter is the perfect breeding ground for the virus .
Of course close contact and being coughed or sneezed on won’t be mitigated by warmer conditions but general transmission will be more difficult .
Does Norovirus go away in summer?
Other means of contamination are now considered to be urine and crap.....don't read on if you've having/just had your lunch.
PUBSONLINE.INFORMS.ORGQuoteWhile a sneeze or a cough by someone infected with a “respiratory disease” can only infect others within a few meters, the virus-laden gaseous plume from an infected person having diarrhea can infect others up to 200 meters.
I'll be avoiding public toilets for the forseeable and watch those farts too ...
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Italy doing some testing of their 'bad flu' patients ...wonder where else in the world might get a surprise if they did the same.
QuoteFirst case of Coronavirus also in the Venetian: the latest news on the Gazzettino. This is a 1953 man residing in Mira who had been hospitalized in Dolo hospital for what appeared to be symptoms of a strong flu. Subjected to the examination of the swab provided by the protocol for the analysis of Coronavirus, it was positive and the isolation procedures were immediately activated. The man is in serious condition.
QuoteThe 75-year-old, after being visited by the doctors for flu, had returned home, where her condition had then worsened, to precipitate in the last hours: the woman went off to her home and the confirmation of the infection came after her death: the analyzes in fact, they were performed on the body after death. Meanwhile, the number of infections has increased in the region, where the first Italian outbreak was discovered on Friday: the number of cases ascertained now has risen to 32. The virus has also arrived in the Cremona and Pavia area.
Doctors in a different area.
QuoteCoronavirus, the two infected in Pavia are doctors
by ect 22 February 2020
Milan, Feb. 22 (LaPresse) - The two people who tested positive for the coronavirus test in the province of Pavia are a couple, husband and wife, both doctors. He is a general practitioner in Pieve Porto Morone, she is an operative pediatrician in the Lodi area. The authorities confirm this.
https://www.lapresse.it/cronaca/coro...ws/2020-02-22/-
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In Italy, 50,000 citizens are being asked to stay home in an area where everything is going to be closed apart from essential services. I wonder how many people on here would have the provisions in the home if they were suddenly faced with such a situation. This is a lot more complicated than just the inconvenience of a 'bad cold'. Authorities are taking this very seriously and acting swiftly to contain: who can argue with them when you read the latest paper in the Lancet...
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1 hour ago, Gael_Force said: News / COVID-19 | Faculty of Medicine | Imperial College London
WWW.IMPERIAL.AC.UK
66% undetected cases roaming the world kind of plays to your musings up thread.
An example of silent in the community; mistaken for something else as they had no travel history
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Two coronavirus cases confirmed at the first test in Padu
These are two people - a 78-year-old man and a 67-year-old woman - who were hospitalized 15 days ago at the Monselice hospital. These are elderly people from the Euganean Hills area. They live in Vo 'Euganeo. One of the two was found to be in 'serious condition'. Both did not go to China or to risk areas. One of them had been treated like a normal flu. He then developed a major airway disease before being tested. Both were transferred to the hospital in Padua. Their conditions are serious. One of them is in intensive care.
THE CONTACTS.
The two patients had 'several local contacts' and were treated in the first few days for lung infection. The Region immediately contacted both the 'Schiavonia' hospital in Monselice and the mayor of Vo 'Euganeo to establish the immediate measures envisaged by the health protocols. Among these, the closure of schools is being considered. Even in the hospital of Monselice, the health workers who came into contact with the two patients are subjected to a buffer test. The mayor of Vo 'Euganeo, Giuliano Martini: 'I learned about it from the manager of the Usl 6 company of Padua, Scibetta, half an hour ago. He informed me of the positivity to the tests of my two fellow citizens and the activation of the Unit in Padua. of crisis '. The two, who share two public places in Vo 'Euganeo, both live with family members.
THE ORIGIN.
One of the first things that the unit is trying to establish is from whom the two people were infected, which, it is good to repeat, did not return from areas of crisis, such as the East or China, but remained in Vo '.
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Back on subject matter, there are now 14 cases in the Lombardy cluster. Includes 5 healthcare workers in a hospital ... that was quick?
Coronavirus Italia, i contagi a Codogno, Castiglione d’Adda e Casalpusterlengo e Padova - Corriere.it
WWW.CORRIERE.ITSedici persone sono risultate positive al Covid 19Edit to add an English language source.
Coronavirus: 16 new cases in Italy - English
WWW.ANSA.ITOfficials said Friday that 14 people have been infected with the coronavirus in Lombardy, while two other cases have been identified in Veneto. People in...-
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2 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:
So, how come sickle cell is highly prevalent amongst our own population of those with afro- carib or african heritage, BUT.....
Were born in UK and hardly ever, if ever, visit malaria risk countries?
This might sound stupid but how long did it take for white people to lose the skin pigmentation early humans would have brought out of Africa. I assume evolution is a slow process in genetic modification to other environmental factors.
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2 minutes ago, General Cluster said:
Sickle-shaped erythrocytes render folk more resistant to malarial infection; PC is likely a response to something in the Western diet...or environment.
Whatever the precise details, evolution by natural selection is almost always involved, somehow...?
Is there not a genetic marker for some female cancers (eg breast or cervical) hence they test and can offer more frequent screening. Why not similar with the male organs related to reproduction?
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News / COVID-19 | Faculty of Medicine | Imperial College London
WWW.IMPERIAL.AC.UK
66% undetected cases roaming the world kind of plays to your musings up thread.
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7 minutes ago, Gray-Wolf said:
The why do they say 'Asians are more susceptible' ?
Not what is said .... quote " raise the possibility that Asians are more susceptible to coronavirus"
They then go on to discount the possibility.
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2 minutes ago, Gray-Wolf said:
Have I misunderstood the importance of the shared receptors, please clear up my confusion please!
Again, I'm not a scientist but have spent years researching for accurate reporting in medical matters. I'm maybe missing some finer detail but the quote from the findings seemed explicit.
QuoteAsians show a similar ACE2 expression to other races. Furthermore, the frequencies of ACE2 alleles in Asians are not significantly deviated from those in other races. These observations indicate that individuals of all races need the same level of personal protection against SARS-CoV-2
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5 minutes ago, Gray-Wolf said:
What a cruel thing if China,india,The Middle East suffer worse from this outbreak merely because of 'Who they are'?
Any time now the White Supremacists will be telling you just why it is these populations that will suffer most..........
How on earth did you come up with this response to the study I posted ... the point is ... we've all got the same pink gizzards.
Shakes head and moves on ....
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8 minutes ago, swebby said:
Some caution needs to be taken here. When i read the paper first time round, my recall was that it is talking about a genetic variation within a population. It is not talking about the population per se.
In simple terms, being Chinese does not make you automatically more susceptible to succumbing to SARS! Carrying the genetic variation does (or at least the paper suggests it does).
I can not remember if the paper suggests the genetic variation is likely confined to the population studied (this is possible, like sickle cell disease in central Africa). If it is not, then the susceptibility may be equal regardless of ethnic background.
New study just out.
Asians and Other Races Express Similar Levels of and Share the Same Genetic Polymorphisms of the SARS-CoV-2 Cell-Entry Receptor
WWW.PREPRINTS.ORGThe recurrent coronavirus outbreaks in China (SARS-CoV and its relative, SARS-CoV-2) raise the possibility that Asians are more susceptible to coronavirus. Here...-
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A bit more info on the Italian 38 year old man who has respiratory failure. From nothing to cluster and major emergency in a couple of days.
QuoteCitizens of Codogno , Castiglione d'Adda and Casalpusterlengo must not leave the house. In short, the three areas
risk being in isolation . "As a precaution, all citizens of Castiglione d'Adda, Codogno and Casalpusterlengo are invited to stay at home and avoid social contacts ", is the request made by the Lombardy Region Councilor for Health, Giulio Gallera after the confirms 6 cases of infection by the coronavirus - husband and wife and their acquaintance - residents in the two countries of Lodi . The mayors Costantino Pesatori, Francesco Passerini and Elia Delmiglio were urgently summoned to the Region to deal with the emergency and establish isolation and prevention measures .
Coronavirus, sono 6 i casi in Lombardia: il primo un 38enne, "è grave". Contagiata anche la moglie incinta e un conoscente. Altri tre ricoverati a Codogno. L'uomo aveva cenato con un amico tornato da Cina - Il Fatto Quotidiano
WWW.ILFATTOQUOTIDIANO.ITIl coronavirus arriva in Lombardia. “Sono sei i casi di positività”, ha annunciato in conferenza stampa l’assessore al Welfare Giulio Gallera. Il paziente uno è un...-
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Does this timeline for the Italian case make sense or do we need to re-evaluate the protocol for quarantine?
QuoteThe friend who had returned from China was traced and may have infected the 38-year-old from Codogno. The conditional is a must, because the dates do not coincide. The man is currently in solitary confinement at the Sacco hospital in Milan, where the necessary examinations are being carried out. He is a manager who works in a Fiorenzuola d’Arda company, and who normally spends most of the year in China, with limited periods in Italy. He returned from China between January 20 and 21, but he has always been well (and still is healthy), except February 10, when he had mild flu symptoms. This is why it is still not clear that he was the 'patient zero', above all because too much time has passed.
https://milano.corriere.it/notizie/c...305401b7.shtml-
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Another doctor falls victim to the disease.
QuoteLocal media in #Wuhan reported that Peng Yun-Hua, a respiratory physician at #Wuhan’s First People’s Hospital, postponed his wedding to treat patients at the frontline. However, he contracted #SARSCoV2 and died on February 20 local time in Wuhan.
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11 minutes ago, Snipper said:
Suppose he could have said everything that was needed in a couple of minutes.
You reminded me of an old editor who was always "short of column inches" ...
He's got 2 weeks of self quarantine to fill.
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From a specialist on scene, this video explains how the COVID spread so easily among the cruise passengers who were supposedly quarantined.
Novel Coronavirus – China
in Space, Science & nature
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Maybe the 'cocktail' in use makes a difference .... some years I've had very mild symptoms* after vaccine other years nothing apart from the 'heavy' arm sensation just post jab.
* It is not live vaccine but is acknowledged that some people can experience mild flu-like discomforts for a few days.