Gael_Force

If the virus takes proper hold in Europe, people themselves will restrict their travel: purely from the point of view that they will want to stay home and not get caught up in lockdown in other areas. This has taken less than a week to move up several gears; a week where many people were on the move during school holidays. I can see communities being isolated in individual countries but there are just too many land routes across European borders to make closure effective.

Re the doubt about non detected cases, this excerpt from French reporting caught my attention. She has presumably done her shedding and healing over the last 3 weeks without any detection. I would wager she is not an isolated case.

Maybe the 'cocktail' in use makes a difference .... some years I've had very mild symptoms* after vaccine other years nothing apart from the 'heavy' arm sensation just post jab. * It is not live vaccine but is acknowledged that some people can experience mild flu-like discomforts for a few days.

I'm basing it on the assumption that no vaccine protection will increase the numbers in hospital. Covid-19 patients who are seriously ill are in ICU for minimum of 2 to 3 weeks. The NHS does not have the capacity to cope with any large increase in ICU requirement ... all across the spectrum, hospital departments will be put under huge pressure and patient prognosis compromised. Remember the January when all elective surgeries were cancelled: took a year to get that back on track. Adding some stats and facts from Italy... Higher percentage in ICU than we have seen in Chinese numbers. Reiterates the point about lack of vaccine increasing mortality in the elderly.

I can remember, many moons ago, being made to wear a thick, woolly scarf over my face when colds and flu were about. I hated it, horrible scratchy thing made from rough wool from our own flock. Always envied my mum's soft, tightly woven silk scarf. Wonder if one of those would act in event of no masks. I don't see mention of gloves but imagine they might help but important thing is to stop touching face and remember, even with mask, don't rub your eyes.

Healthcare providers, the elderly, at risk population, are invited to avail themselves of seasonal influenza vaccine: that protects both the people and the facilities providing medical services. We see in China, many infected doctors and nurses with sad fatalities among the young in the front line. If it gets going here, it will certainly not be like a normal 'bad flu' season. The only advantage I can see is that we are forewarned and thus better able to protect medical staff with protective gear.

I think you are right about the people who will not adhere to advice to self isolate but I suspect some shrewd management would rather be short of an employee or two than face business closed indefinitely through an outbreak in staff.

From Chinese source.. http://www.bjd.com.cn/a/202002/25/WS5e55331ee4b05d1eff0b2e61.html

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Does Norovirus go away in summer? Other means of contamination are now considered to be urine and crap.....don't read on if you've having/just had your lunch. PUBSONLINE.INFORMS.ORG I'll be avoiding public toilets for the forseeable and watch those farts too ...

Italy doing some testing of their 'bad flu' patients ...wonder where else in the world might get a surprise if they did the same. Doctors in a different area.

In Italy, 50,000 citizens are being asked to stay home in an area where everything is going to be closed apart from essential services. I wonder how many people on here would have the provisions in the home if they were suddenly faced with such a situation. This is a lot more complicated than just the inconvenience of a 'bad cold'. Authorities are taking this very seriously and acting swiftly to contain: who can argue with them when you read the latest paper in the Lancet...

An example of silent in the community; mistaken for something else as they had no travel history

Back on subject matter, there are now 14 cases in the Lombardy cluster. Includes 5 healthcare workers in a hospital ... that was quick? Coronavirus Italia, i contagi a Codogno, Castiglione d’Adda e Casalpusterlengo e Padova - Corriere.it WWW.CORRIERE.IT Sedici persone sono risultate positive al Covid 19 Edit to add an English language source. Coronavirus: 16 new cases in Italy - English WWW.ANSA.IT Officials said Friday that 14 people have been infected with the coronavirus in Lombardy, while two other cases have been identified in Veneto. People in...

This might sound stupid but how long did it take for white people to lose the skin pigmentation early humans would have brought out of Africa. I assume evolution is a slow process in genetic modification to other environmental factors.

Is there not a genetic marker for some female cancers (eg breast or cervical) hence they test and can offer more frequent screening. Why not similar with the male organs related to reproduction?

News / COVID-19 | Faculty of Medicine | Imperial College London WWW.IMPERIAL.AC.UK @Gray-Wolf 66% undetected cases roaming the world kind of plays to your musings up thread.

Not what is said .... quote " raise the possibility that Asians are more susceptible to coronavirus" They then go on to discount the possibility.

Again, I'm not a scientist but have spent years researching for accurate reporting in medical matters. I'm maybe missing some finer detail but the quote from the findings seemed explicit.

How on earth did you come up with this response to the study I posted ... the point is ... we've all got the same pink gizzards. Shakes head and moves on ....

New study just out. Asians and Other Races Express Similar Levels of and Share the Same Genetic Polymorphisms of the SARS-CoV-2 Cell-Entry Receptor WWW.PREPRINTS.ORG The recurrent coronavirus outbreaks in China (SARS-CoV and its relative, SARS-CoV-2) raise the possibility that Asians are more susceptible to coronavirus. Here...

A bit more info on the Italian 38 year old man who has respiratory failure. From nothing to cluster and major emergency in a couple of days. Coronavirus, sono 6 i casi in Lombardia: il primo un 38enne, "è grave". Contagiata anche la moglie incinta e un conoscente. Altri tre ricoverati a Codogno. L'uomo aveva cenato con un amico tornato da Cina - Il Fatto Quotidiano WWW.ILFATTOQUOTIDIANO.IT Il coronavirus arriva in Lombardia. “Sono sei i casi di positività”, ha annunciato in conferenza stampa l’assessore al Welfare Giulio Gallera. Il paziente uno è un...

Does this timeline for the Italian case make sense or do we need to re-evaluate the protocol for quarantine?

Another doctor falls victim to the disease.