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Model output discussion 02/02/20
West is Best replied to phil nw.'s topic in Forecast Model Discussion
The 0z GFS continues to show a rampant Atlantic. I've never seen anything like it at this time of year. It's more like October than February. Astonishing, astonishing, conditions. -
Model output discussion 02/02/20
West is Best replied to phil nw.'s topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Honestly the above really is extreme straw-clutching. There's almost nothing on the latest 6z GFS to suggest anything other than continued mobility across the UK. The T144 extension of the Azores high into a nascent high pressure forming over the Bay of Biscay is itself fairly fraught. But even if it materialises it does nothing to alter the south-westerly conveyor belt across the UK. We would need it extending 300 miles further north and I can see no sign of that? I've been studying the weather for 45 years and I don't think I have ever seen anything like this. The idea that we are going to pass quickly from 1. The strongest jet core probably ever seen across the Atlantic, 2. One of the deepest Atlantic lows ever recorded, 3. The stormiest February on record, so far, ... into something blocked and cold seems to me quite implausible. The upstream drivers look to me to be continuation for the foreseeable future of the powerful jet and cyclogenesis. I wish it weren't so, but I can't see much to restrain this westerly onslaught. It's astonishing, to be frank. -
Hill-walking weather discussion
West is Best replied to Sentinel's topic in Spring Weather Discussion
p.s. might bump into you as I'm doing part of the St Ives section in 4 weeks -
Hill-walking weather discussion
West is Best replied to Sentinel's topic in Spring Weather Discussion
I regularly walk the SW coast path (I've covered over 1000 miles by doing several sections multiple times) and, trust me, it would be bloody awful in these conditions. Nothing even remotely enjoyable. -
Model Output Discussion - Happy New Year!
West is Best replied to BlueHedgehog074's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Guess we will latch onto anything after what has happened so far this winter but I have to say that in any normal scenario what the GFS and ECM are tantalising at c. T216 (ECM) and T228 (GFS) would hardly get a second look. It may develop into something more substantial which often happens. At the moment we'll all seize it with alacrity but it's not exactly thrilling. -
Winter 2019/20 | Moans, Ramps & Chat
West is Best replied to Summer Sun's topic in Spring Weather Discussion
I do wish you'd get off the fence -
Winter 2019/20 | Moans, Ramps & Chat
West is Best replied to Summer Sun's topic in Spring Weather Discussion
The worst winter for cold weather I can ever remember. -
Model Output Discussion - Happy New Year!
West is Best replied to BlueHedgehog074's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Yep. It's pretty relentless right now. The wettest autumn on record (hardly typical Mr Geordiesnow) is being followed by the most Atlantic-dominated winter that I can ever recall. The jet is ridiculously powerful. So far, that is. Perhaps it will abate. Meanwhile, we continue to batten down the hatches. -
Model output discussion - into Christmas
West is Best replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
This is relentless. Meanwhile, every Australian state hits 40C. It's pretty difficult to ignore that AGW is driving our own model outputs. The power of the jet this whole autumn / early winter is something to behold. Every time you think it's about to relent, it roars back. Sigh. -
Model output discussion - into Christmas
West is Best replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Not even the ensembles within themselves agree. Massive scatter and some significant colder members, with the operational right at the maximum extreme. So let's ditch the despair please folks -
Model output discussion - into Christmas
West is Best replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - into Christmas
West is Best replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
It's the form horse and we'd be foolish to bet against it. Flattening out across the models with only the vaguest glimmer at the end of the ECM. Sadly -
Model output discussion - into Christmas
West is Best replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - into Christmas
West is Best replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - into Christmas
West is Best replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
At some point one of these GFS operational runs is possibly going to take a very different tack. The spread is considerable, with some significantly colder members. The transition point appears to coincide with the synoptic setup around 27/12: -
Model output discussion - into Christmas
West is Best replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Not a huge amount of support for the GFS 0z FI transition. On the other hand, neither is it an outlier: Models have been indicating the high pressure transition post-Christmas on and off for a few days. 0z ECM at T240 clearly shows the advent of the high retrogressing towards Scandinavia. The result would be something similar to the GFS FI. So, whilst this is all rather distant it is definitely something to watch and hold on to in hope. -
Yes but you've said that we would need the zonal winds to drop. Which is it? The zonal or the blocked Euro high? The two aren't mutually compatible with halting cold over the UK until February March It's December 9th. FI looks tasty on some ensembles. That's the -10C over London. Meantime a lively week of weather with plenty of sleet and snow around.
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There should be little reason for despair. It's the first week of December and the weather is extremely lively. If it's only snow that floats your boat there's some of that in the mix this week. The more serious point is that mobility is much better than a stagnant dirty high. And there's some FI eye candy appearing in the ensembles too
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A wild week ahead. For cold lovers it's not a bad one though. We remain for the majority of the week north side of the PFJ. Hill snow will feature e.g. on Wednesday. Lots of heavy rain and gales too. I'm intrigued about Thursday. GFS has a pretty flat zonal flow with heavy rain. UKMO continues to see a buckled jet with a northerly. ECM is literally halfway between the two.