cheeky_monkey

NYC does not get lake effect snow as it is on the coast and far from the great lake region...NY state does though as the eastern part of the state borders lake ontario and erie. NYC is located in the extreme southern tip of NY state and is sheltered somewhat from colder weather to the north and east by the Appalachain mountians.

here its Temp -20c Cloudy Winds West 5mph

depends on what you mean by economic growth??..dont forget the economies of the world are forever changing and evolving..i would not expect the world to be as reliant on fossil fuels in 50 years time as today..technology moves on and the way we develop power will change..and this will create new sectors for economic growth..it is the way it has always been.

i think 1989-90 was probably the mildest and driest winter i can remember...this storm the only thing of note that happened in my location that winter and thats because it happened during the day.

Here in Edmonton Alberta Temp -13c Weather light snow Winds N 11km/h Pressure 1029

or maybe western Australia...Perth perhaps?

i am here in Edmonton for the duration..its snowing today with temps around -7c..and as you say set to turn colder for the rest of the week...then looking like it will warm up again as we move into February in my neck of the woods...looks like alot of rain across ontario and quebec through sunday and monday.

you know what i wasnt even going to reply to such a cheap jibe..but reading some of your comments to other posters on this forum in the past i think words like pot and kettle come to mind...i will say no more on the matter.

the thing with the model thread in winter is it is full of people who never frequent the place any other time of the year..and are just looking for cold and snow...it was a real boon when we had the snow becuase the model thread was empty of all the fools and you are left with the real interesting watchers with constructive views of what is being shown..just like during the summer months etc. i tend not to bother with it most winters because it is an awful place..probably the worst thread on netweather only now been superseeded by the regional cold discussion threads.

hi i touched down in Edmonton Alberta on friday 15th Jan....bizarely i flew out of heathrow where the temp was +1c and landed in Edmonton to find it at +6c...slowly cooled off..today went for a long walk in a very still -10c...didnt feel any colder than walking around in the UK on a cold day...seems it is above average over pretty much all of canada right now..sum areas +10c-+15c above normal..that dosnt look like changing much in the next 7 days.

my whine is why cant the regional cold spell threads be put in their own section?..instead of clogging up the seasonal winter section...i always found the seasonal thread one of the most interesting now it is just cluttered full of will it snow in the next 5 mins in my shed or there was a snowflake reported in my aunties garden five miles away. all the topics of interest have been swamped and lost in the madness

i think any possibility of not getting a sub 3c have gone now..as has IMHO a sub 2c....prices shortening on the first sub 0c since Feb 86..what chance beating Jan 79 at... -0.4c?

Just looking at the latest models output may mean i have to delay my departure to Canada i have already moved my original flight from the 10th Jan to 15th Jan...it does really look like i may have to delay for another week possibly if the models are correct. GFS keeps it cold with further possible snow falls right through the run..which would make this the most prolonged cold spell since 1963.

well i think the opening gambit of the thread is a little harsh...the general viewing public dont understand the technical details of the hows and why of where the snow came from..and in essence the reporting has been pretty robust compared to the usual rubbish we used to see in previous years..when the likes of gmtv would go on about the big freeze when a snow shower is forcast for the north york moors and temps are around 4c that really used to get my goat.

you cant base a winter on one heavy snowfall and things that havnt actually happened yet

I agree this winter has shown up 2008-9 for the winter it really was ..much a do about nothing...so far it is much more like the winters of my childhood..although we have yet to see a severe cold spell..with sub zero maximums and high wind chill and some blowing snow...for me that would seal the deal on 2009-10 winter.

london generally sees lower totals than the surrounding areas..so whilst places like bucks and herts may receive 20cms inner london may only get 5cms..nothing unusual there

and the people at the met office obviously know nothing about the weather?

dont take car thermometers as a true guide... temps are generally 1-1.5c colder than shown during cold spells..due to heat given of by the road the ambient engine temperature and exhausts.

i would agree that away from the south east/north east and the scotland..apart from being cold nothing of any significance has really happened

oh the irony of it all...there is me looking to go back to Canada in the next 2 weeks and the model outputs could mean i get stuck in the UK due to cold and snow ..im tempted to hang on in the Uk until the end of January just to see if it all pans out?

seems very similar to the November and Dec just gone..only this December was 0.5c colder...what if January 2010 were to come in 0.5c colder than 1940 eh?

i agree..if we do get to mid month at 0c (which is a distinct possiblity) then it would need a very mild second half to get back above 3c. im off to Canada mid month so i guarantee the cold will remain...simply because i wont be here

intersting that the whole of the northern hemisphere looks cold on this chart...very unusual

i think it has been said elsewhere..but the models are showing something similar to what happened in the last week of Dec 1978..short milder interlude never quite making it north of the border before the cold sinks back south with possible heavy snow events in many areas around the end of the month. it will be intersing to see how cold or mild it becomes in the next few days and how far north or east this reaches?