Richie V

Thank you, well said <_<

Here we are again. I'ts about time people here woke up and see just what a joke GISS, HAD, NCDC, HADCRU etc etc is. Trust me If you knew what I knew you would have a total duggy fit, thats another story for another day though. Yet another alarmist thread and sets of data from foremensioned sources that should be confined to the trashcan. By the way folks, I mean no offence to anyone on here with this post, I'm just running out of patience, thats all <_<

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/news/latest/clouds.html "New research has added more evidence to suggest low-level clouds may be reduced by climate change, causing further global warming. The study, published in Science, relied on the Met Office’s climate model as the only one which accurately reflects real-life observations. The findings also support many years of Met Office research looking at how climate change may affect clouds and how clouds may affect climate change. Low-level clouds, such as stratocumulus, play a vital role in keeping the Earth’s climate cool by reflecting sunlight. Because they are so important, climate researchers have been studying how they might react to a changing climate on a regional scale. However, this remains one of the biggest sources of uncertainty in understanding future climate change." The research "If global warming means more low-level cloud develops, then more sunlight would be reflected, helping cool the planet and offset climate change — known as a ‘negative feedback’. If the opposite occurs and we see less low-level cloud, more sunlight would get through and the planet would heat even more, further escalating the warming — known as a ‘positive feedback‘. The new research studied whether our warming climate will result in more or less low-level cloud by examining changes over the north-east Pacific in real-life observations and computer generated climate models. Analysis from observations showed cloud was affected by regional temperature changes and shifts in the atmospheric circulation of air and water. They then studied 18 of the world’s leading climate models to see which of them accurately reflected this pattern. This method provides a new way to date of testing how realistically climate models represent low-level cloud changes and, therefore, which we can most rely on. The researchers found only two models fitted with their observations — including the Met Office’s HadGEM1. Further analysis led them to rely only on the Met Office model, which employs the sophisticated atmospheric simulations required. Our model showed low-level cloud cover over the test area decreased under global warming, creating a positive feedback. This is apparently due to an increase in sea-surface temperatures and weakening of the large-scale atmospheric circulation." To be fair, they state at the end: "While this provides a significant step in understanding the link between low-level cloud and climate change, as well as proving the robustness of the Met Office model, there are still no conclusive answers." Mat Collins then goes on to say: “There is still much work to be done before the uncertainty in this area of climate modelling can be fully eliminated.We’ve been researching the relation between clouds and climate change for more than a decade. It’s not surprising our model came out top because of the amount of effort we have put into developing the model, but there is still a long way to go. This research is only part of the jigsaw and one more test of the models. There are still a lot of questions to answer before we can be sure we’re getting this absolutely right.” Hey Matt, try harder on the seasonal forecasts first!

Yes indeed, IMO (non scientific) this "non warming" in recent years will be the way foreward. The planet has not warmed for around 11 years now. BTW, It's no accident that this ceased warming occured right on the point of nearly all world economies removing lead from petrol and a blanket CFC aerosol ban! also around 11 years ago, a sudden drop of billions of tonnes per year. Mull it over, more on this soon!

?? help me out here, where does it say that

I'm starting to get a little nervey about the projected rainfall on friday. Looking at the models there seems strong simularities to the 2007 setup. Mabe someone can dig out the rainfall and pressure charts for comparison (Mr Data!) One can't help but think of the floods in 2007 round here, I got trapped in Sheffield for 10 hours that faithful day and nearly lost my van on the Wicker and my life!

At the risk of been a total show off and killjoy, I hope its dry this week as I've had more storms than I know what to do with in the last 2 weeks B) ..........I'll get my coat

I like the sound of snow chasing....................... I'M IN :lol: Sign me up doc!

It was taken yesterday, It rose up from nothing in less than 30 mins.

Really violent winds and huge hail hellllp

I think we could be heading for a funnel cloud, VERY gusty and as black as night, a few very big hailstones. Shot over to the emly Moor mast.

Thanks dude

And PROUD

Now a storm, 4 rumbles per min, the cap is spreading right out across the sky.

Real monster going up here!

Very dark just to my east, loud thunder too! Look out Mr Holmes, It's coming for ya <_<

Storm nearly on top of me now, logging off, I will try n get piccys

Is that anaprop to the SW of Manc??? http://www.raintoday.co.uk/

Don't forget the modern autum too

I'm no expert but..... I fail to see the front out to the west making much further progress eastward. It's moved barely 60 miles west in the last 24 hrs. Any thaughts anyone? :lol: Nuff said.......... Sir.......... :lol: No, It's not me, I'm not a Dave Allen Or Bill Farkin

News 24 not playing either, forcaster said the midlands will remain largley dry, not good news if you are wanting some water for the gardens, NOT ENCOURAGING

22.2c here still

Is that mass on the radar to the south of Manchester anaprop? Ha, Karyo you beat me too It

Just got a 30.1C here Yes eye in the sky 30.1