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But what is the tax take on the end product?
Will check the full report to see if they mention it.
Isn't the argument often used that if renewables could stand on their own two feet then they wouldn't need subsidies?
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I had an interest in science in general since I was kid, way back in the mid 90s!
I remember buying the "Tornado" movie in 1998, I thought it was great at the time...
Anyway, the winter of 95/96 and the Christmas Eve storm of 1997 helped develop my interest in weather from a young age.
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I'm surprised there are not more posts about this. Antarctic sea ice is continuing it's exceptional record breaking run.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/antarctic.sea.ice.interactive.html
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Fossil fuel subsidies 'reckless use of public funds
The world is spending half a trillion dollars on fossil fuel subsidies every year, according to a new report.
The Overseas Development Institute (ODI) says rich countries are spending seven times more supporting coal, oil and gas than they are on helping poorer nations fight climate change.Some countries including Egypt, Morocco and Pakistan, have subsidies bigger than the national fiscal deficit......The research adds to data from the International Energy Agency that says global subsidies for fossil fuels are six times higher than those for renewable energy. The OECD has stated that coal is subject to the lowest levels of taxation.
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Official stations Void. Means that If i guessed the 26th correctly and it snowed in Cork then i would win the bragging rights for the rest of winter! Lol
Just snow, or does sleet count?
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There's been a big storm from the North Pacific moved into Bering may have had some effect.
It's pulling a lot of cold air from Siberia too.
Perhaps a slight impact on the ESS, but as there's no sea ice in the Bering sea yet and Chukchi hasn't been filled either, it's impact would be minimal.
You can see the ice being driven back by southerly winds in the Kara/Laptev region on the IJIS sat images here though http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/cgi-bin/seaice-monitor.cgi?lang=e
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Are we using official stations or from our own back yards?
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BFTV, the bringer of bad news!
We've seen 2 consecutive sea ice extent losses on IJIS over the last 2 days. For early November of the 2002-2012 period, this is unprecedented.
What it really means, is that over the last 10 days, many years have caught right up with us, and 2008 has passed above 2013.
Year..... Current Diff..... (10 days ago)
2012..... -721,410km2.... (-1,816,650)
2011.....-218,036km2.... (-1,297,723)
2010.....-282,375km2.... (-1,234,016)
2009.....-129,873km2.... (-1,122,954)
2008.....+516,576km2.... (-343,570)
2007.....-176,360km2.... (-1,417,638)
When it comes to those hoping for a cold winter, this isn't a bad thing. Numerous studies have shown that low sea ice years tend to have increased chances of cold winters in Europe.
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And why is that?
Just the east Greenland current is where the ice flows along, which stays along the coast, keeping the ice from drifting toward Iceland I think.
Yeah, Irminger current prevents it getting too far. When did snowcover start getting included in those satellite images?The world is a warmer place now, especially the Arctic.
I think the snow cover is there in the archive images from the end of 2005.
noticed it too. Small blob of ice by iceland . sea temps there low enough for something to happen. Last year there seemed a fleeting moment of an ice bridge I recall.
If global cooling gains traction over the next few years I am sure it will happen. By the way there is a name for a tongue of ice that some times sticks out quite far from the eastern Greenland sea ice area because of a cold current I,m sure someone on here knows about it and Ihave'nt just dream;t it.
It's called the Odden Ice Tongue
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8.6 to the 5th - No change from yesterday despite a daily figure of 6.9 for the 5th.
It seems that they have revised the daily CETs for the first 3 days of the month up.
Previously they were
1st 10.3 (As can be seen here)
2nd 9.7 (and here)
3rd 8.2
4th 6.0
5th 6.9
Now they are:
1st 10.7
2nd 10.5
3rd 8.6
4th 6.0
5th 6.9
Here's a screen shot of the page before they changed it
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Sorry guys, the sea ice creeps down the east coast of Greenland toward Iceland every year, but quite rarely actually reaches it.
Much closer to Iceland this time last year
Closer again in 2011
But as you can see from March of 1980, even in years with impressive ice coverage, the ice usually just hugs the south Greenland coast, rather than extending toward Iceland.
However, earlier in the 20th century, it was a more regular occurrence for the sea to reach Iceland.
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A 2.6k drop with NSIDC too. Looks like a lot of ice blown back in the Kara and Laptev sea.
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Yep, things looking better so far this Autumn. I think the telling volume data will be in March.
Below are the 850hPa temp anomalies for Oct 1st to Nov 3rd, from 2007 to this year.
This year is looking quite different to the last 6, especially for the Barents/Kara region.
If those cold anomalies persist through the winter, the extent gains on the Atlantic side of the Arctic, coupled with the continued -ve PDO, the extent and volume could see quite a jump by March.
Plenty of time for things to change though, but it should be interesting to watch.
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Sparticle posted http://forum.netweather.tv/topic/76448-scepticism-of-man-made-climate-change/page-37#entry2827208
Two quick points.
1, I don't remember when the letters CAGW first appeared but I do know it's used far, far, far, far more often by sceptics than 'AGW accepters'. My view would be of the 'accepters' the vast majority of us think AGW is potentially serious but, 2-4C wouldn't necessarily be catastrophic. I also think the word catastrophic is alarming. Odd that...
2, the graph. I've seen another interpretation of model data. I've spent some time trying to find it but I can't - doh! However I think the argument was that the start point wasn't being place correctly because, for example, if the start data was predicted to be above average but was not then it makes no sense to place them in the same point for comparison and thus the whole graph is skewed. But, it would be easier to explain with the link - will try to find it.... I'd like to see what the graph looks like with different start dates.
Are you thinking of these, Dev?
http://www.skepticalscience.com/ipcc-model-gw-projections-done-better-than-you-think.html
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/fake-skeptic-draws-fake-picture-of-global-temperature/
I don't think the one posted by Sparkicle from Spencer's blog is the graph your thinking of though.
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7th largest October NH snow extent on record (following the 6th largest for September). That's 3rd largest for Eurasia and 20th largest for North America
http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/table_rankings.php?ui_set=1
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I think that would be a daily record if that occurred, previous record is 13.0.
Yep. That 13.0C was set in 2005. I'm sure it will be lowered closer to the time, as many days were in October.
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Maxima looked like they were around 11C, as predicted above so 8.3C is likely on tomorrows update.
After that, the 12z GFS has the CET at
8.5C to the 6th (9.6)
8.5C to the 7th (8.4)
8.5C to the 8th (8.3)
8.2C to the 9th (6.2)
8.1C to the 10th (7.5)
8.6C to the 11th (13.3)
8.7C to the 12th (9.7)
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The peer reviewed stuff isn't always infallible though is it, as for declaring a grand minima would only slow warming, well that's one of them assumptions again. Lets wait and see what does happen first, then we can comment!
Certainly not infallible, but it helps to raise research standard and cut out bias and hyperbole.
Nope, not an assumption. A prediction based on the evidence, understanding and analysis of many experts, quite different to an assumption. Whether it's completely accurate or not, I think we'll agree, only time will tell.
Anywho, off to the climate and environment area with anymore of this methinks!
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However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".
"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.
Now that is a poor projection....and if that is what science says...well
Now is climate of 1600s really impossible by 2030?
BFTP
Wouldn't mind seeing the whole quote for context, given the media and others tendency to misrepresent climate scientists.
I note, which you didn't mention, Dr Viner also said this
Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said.
Here's the whole Telegraph piece http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
Doesn't seem too far off. Despite the odd snowy winter, the long term trends is for them to become less snowy.
As for a 1600s climate occurring within 17 years, barring some cataclysmic event, I'd say impossible. The predictions for low solar activity in the early 90s and subsequent dramatic cooling were also wrong. Numerous studies have indicated and even a grand minimum scenario would only slow the warming over the next century.
As for what the science says, I'd say examine the peer reviewed evidence, not the tabloid interviews
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Still raining, only about 2mm overnight though. Currently 8.3C, drizzling and a bit breezy. Temperature reached double digits during the night for the first time since the 2nd!
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Look at the steep ice gain. http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ Also the temperatures are looking good from what I can see on this coloured map, pinks turning purple and violet over northern Russia and the Arctic
To me we seem in better shape than this time last year.
Yep, certainly doing well compared to recent years. What's shown on the NSIDC graphs is the 5 day average, you can get the daily updates at around 3 or 4pm here ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/north/daily/data/NH_seaice_extent_nrt.csv
Here's another graph, with just Novembers data.
IJIS updates closer to 9am, and has shown just a 17k increase for yesterday which is way below average. It will be interesting to see how NSIDC compares later on.
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An increase of just 17k on IJIS yesterday, the lowest increase on that date for the 2002-2013 period
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impossible a light year is a unit of distance
A figure of speech!
Lol, mine was a poor choice of words describing how no one understands UV output and it's role on pressure patterns, nothing wrong with your's even though I disagree.
Ah right! Anyway, plenty to watch over the coming years if solar activity remains low, keeping the chances of cold winters relatively high
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Poor choice of words BFTV with regards to no one has got a grip, as for the Landsheidt links yes some of his findings have been off the mark but apart from that he was light years ahead of anyone else in this field. It's a pity he's no longer with us as I'm sure the likes of Lockwood and others would have found common ground and shared their works. The last link hasn't happened yet and it's one I truly believe if solar output remains the same, i.e. on course for a grand minima, then another Maunder Minimum will occur.
Why is that a poor choice of words?
I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree with regard to Landscheidt. I can only base my perception of him on his predictions, which didn't turn out so well as far as I can see, even the 1600s climate by 2030 is next to impossible. When it comes to the intricacies of solar dynamics, I doubt either are qualified enough to analyse decades of solar research say if someone was light years ahead of their time.
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Winter 2013-2014 Discussion- Part 2
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This version of the unisys maps works well too