Nick L
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3 minutes ago, Alderc 2.0 said:
Are you sure?
The low pressure out west is catching the current band of cloud quickly, the clear slot will be gone soon.
The existing cloud *should* break this afternoon, rather than that clear slot moving over the SE.
Given how warm and humid the air mass is, it will feel very warm in any sunny spells later on.
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Real headaches trying to pin this one down. UKV/UKMO have some really nasty downpours skirting through the SE corner, E London and East Anglia, 30mm+ an hour in some spots. Not surprised to see the mention of large (for the UK) hail in their warning. EC isn't particularly interested, however.
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1 minute ago, In Absence of True Seasons said:
The worst aspect to all of this is that in the Met Office video from Aiden (can see it on their YT channel) a couple of days ago, he literally said that the showers on Friday would be mostly later in the evening and overnight. But here I am at not even 11am and it's been pretty heavily pouring down for the last hour or more.
So another entire day gone from a useability perspective. I'm on annual leave so really takes the cake.
Once this morning's rain clears (it's already dissipating) it should be a decent afternoon. At least this hasn't arrived tomorrow! The weekend is looking nice.
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Meanwhile, a topic I'm sure we'll all have more agreement on. The Met Office have named the latest "storm" for winds arriving in the SW later today. What is the point of this system, seriously.
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Just now, In Absence of True Seasons said:
Since June, it's been dire. 3 weeks in June doesn't make a summer season.
This is the poor summer thread (well, should be cloud haters but it got changed). So people who enjoy sunny and warm weather are going to expressing their discontent.
I don't go onto the Heat Haters thread telling them to stop whining about the fact that it's got over 25c for 2 days running... And you would find them far less welcoming, if I (or anyone) did so.
No it isn't.
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3 minutes ago, In Absence of True Seasons said:
With all due respect, thats not how it works though, in terms of how people actually experience the weather and the summer season. It doesn't really matter how good June was, when it's proceeding by 6 weeks of utter dross! If you're I'll for 6 weeks, it doesn't matter that prior to that, you were the healthiest you ever felt! That's a distant memory.
Humans aren't data machines. You can't just wave some statistics in someone's face as an attempt to dismiss how cool, wet and cloudy the last 6 weeks have been. The Met's "averages" maps don't paint the whole picture. Simple as. Anyone who has spent significant time outside this July and August can attest to that.
I cannot remember the last time:
- The grass was this green, this late in the year (grass browning off is perfectly normal by August in SE England, and lack of that is a demonstrator of how wet and sunless it's been).
- Tonnes of people were wearing coats and wooly hats in London throughout July. I personally still had all my jackets out. Haven't done that in my entire life in July.
- We had a period of nearly 6 weeks on the trot between two 25c temps being achieved.
- July and August failing to reach a single 30c day
- Literally everyone I know in real life is constantly saying "why is so cold this summer?" or "where's the sun gone? It's like November!"
Also, statistically, wasn't it the dullest July since 1979?
You can't sit there and poo-poo the stats and then throw this in at the end. Besides, June 2023 was one of the sunniest on record.
Your reply has also gone off at a complete tangent to my post. I made no reference to temperature in the post you quoted, which I agree has been inflated by high mins. I was talking about sunshine, not temperature. July was a rotten month for daytime maxima, absolutely.
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1 minute ago, stainesbloke said:
Whereas average summer temperatures are reasonable, average sunshine levels in the UK are nothing to get excited about. It’s a very cloudy climate, hence all the SAD and vitamin D issues. I don’t know why ‘average’ sunshine is constantly held up as some sort of gold standard - it’s certainly not and the last 7 weeks have been a nightmare.
Nobody is holding it up as some gold standard. I'm just tired of the whinging about a summer that, overall, has not been bad.
If people are defining "awful" as below normal, worse than normal etc. then it's simply wrong to label it awful. If people are saying our normal climate is awful then I tend to agree, it's dreadful year round! There's a reason why many people go abroad for reliable sunny weather. I won't holiday in the UK again because I don't want it being ruined by the weather again.
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Just now, Azazel said:
I'm referring to the March-Sep period which is when the sun is supposedly strong enough to allow the body to convert sunlight into vitamin D.
March was one of the wettest ever - and well below average sunshine
April had well below average sunshine
May had slightly above average sunshine apparently - though I believe this was dragged up by the final 3rd (there was a lot of cloud cover which extended this far west at times)
June was great - no complaints there
July was well below average sunshine
August has surely had below average sunshine so far.
I get we are all different and some people think we've had a decent summer which is fine - more power to them, but my perception is vastly different.
Anecdotally, this is the first summer where I've had to put the garden furniture away at the end of July because it's getting ruined by the endless moisture and rain. Its the first summer I can recall being cold in my house and having to put the heating on in July. Its the first summer I've seen fairly extensive "tinting" of hedgerows and other plants along with extensive fungal growth this early in the year. Its the first summer I can remember having 6-7 weekends on the bounce of low-pressure barrelling through the country.
If this TRULY is a decent/average summer, then I DREAD what a poor summer will look like. It might just finish me off.
Okay, but your original post did say summer rather than the March-Sept period. I agree spring was dire, and the overall period would likely be below average, but summer certainly hasn't been.
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4 minutes ago, Wold Topper said:
A little tip here guys, alot of the Vit D tabs that are on the market, whatever the branding come from the same small group of companies and are often the same tablets in a diff bottle with a diff label, H&B for exampe is a rip off and you are paying for the name! Trust me i know
Much like painkillers. Anyone paying for branded paracetamol is a mug!
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8 minutes ago, Azazel said:
Normally yes - but this summer really has been awful for sunshine.
I do actually think our climate IS that bad. This year so far has been an extra level of awful. I struggle to think of too many places with a legitimately worse climate.
I had a blood test last year or early this year and my doctor too said my vitamin D levels were optimal and to "keep it up"
It hasn't been awful though. June was above average, July was below average. It's been pretty normal, sunshine wise. The two months pretty much cancel each other out.
I do fear for some if we genuinely have a poor summer, sunshine-wise.
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2 minutes ago, Bristle Si said:
Hmm...seems some peeps have forgotten food intake i.e. diet. One egg/day will give you nearly half your required level of daily Vit D, for example.
Instead of peeps popping pills all the time, esp you young 'uns, look to your diet, as well.
So, basically, if anyone is popping 4000 IU every day, in form of pills, then you're likely exceeding 'safe' levels, because of certain food items you consume. And, more importantly, in Summer on a sunny day, you get your required level of Vit D with just 15 minutes of lower arm exposure to sunlight.
Take care
In winter I can understand it. I work night shifts 8/9 days a month so I take Vit D supplements. But there is surely no need for the majority of the population to require it in the summer? Our climate isn't THAT bad!
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The only trees I've noticed "turning" are horse chestnuts which are badly affected by moth larvae. No sign of anything turning around here and it's about as leafy as you can get in the south around these parts! Would be interested to see photo evidence from those claiming otherwise.
Much greener than recent summers where nature was badly affected by the heat.
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Just now, Wightweather said:
Mondays headline:
“Met Office warns UK set to bask in 32C sunshine as country's set for mini-heatwave”
Oh dear!
I had a news notification from GBNews just a couple of days ago saying pretty much this. Good ol' GBeebies
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7 minutes ago, Azazel said:
This cold really is grim - I don't feel weak anymore but the rattling in my chest is horrible. Might have to see a doctor after the weekend.
Funnily enough, the last time I had a cold this bad? Summer 2012!
Sure it's not Covid? My Mum had it last week and I'm pretty sure I've had a mild version of it this week with a persistent cough.
4 minutes ago, ANYWEATHER said:Yes ,funded by the lovely June
True!
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Cor it's muggy this morning. Grim.
At the risk of inciting a mob, and yes I know the CET is only regional, limitations due to being skewed by higher mins etc. etc., but we are currently on course to having the 17th warmest summer going back to 1659.
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Yep, after a gloomy morning it has really improved here. Lovely afternoon.
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45 minutes ago, Weather Enthusiast91 said:
As we only have two weeks of meterological summer left and the rest of August is looking to be around average, I feel that now is the time to conclude summer 2023.
June: 10/10
July: 2/10
August so far: 6/10
June was by far the best month of this summer, providing us with the most useable days and some most welcome heat and sunshine, particularly after the poor spring. In this neck of the woods and some other areas, we were lucky to have a few thunderstorms too which is something of a rarity these days.
July was a very poor summer month, but we did have a thunderstorm or two early on which saves it from being rated as 1/10. In my opinion, July 2023 was equally as bad as July 2007 bar the flooding in the latter mentioned year. Any settled spells didn't last very long and there was very little summer warmth.
The first half of August has seen quite an improvement with more in the way of usable days, sunshine and warmth. Quite a mixed bag overall and it looks like the second half of the month is going the same way. Nothing to shout about, but pleasant for much of the time.
Fair assessment, certainly a pretty average summer overall! Nothing to shout about, but nowhere near as bleak as the likes of 2007 or 2012.
Temperatures are likely to come out above average, rainfall above average and sunshine probably a bit below. A mixed bag.
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2 minutes ago, Summer Sun said:
But with temperatures not getting that high during the day, and limited sunshine, it won't be as bad as they're saying.
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7 minutes ago, richie3846 said:
Lose credibility in your opinion. This is dangerous talk in my opinion, where you state that someone loses credibility because they have a different view to yourself. This is the basis of the very dangerous cancel culture that has become popular.
Have a good day.
Not really. By immediately using such divisive, almost derogatory terms you're clearly not willing argue reasonably.
Besides, the best thing about science is that it doesn't care for your or anyone's opinions, and the science is pretty damn clear.
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It was slightly chilly when I left the house this morning. Where's the news article on that?!
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Just now, Sunny76 said:
It’s happened before yes, but we are just judging this summer as it is. It’s been terrible, and I find it hard for anyone to defend it.
The people trying to challenge me on this argument are clearly coldies, and people who enjoy summer daytime highs of less than 24c. That’s fine, but it’s just very poor for July and August.
A decent sunny summer isn’t too much to ask for.
You've just said June was a pleasant month, so how on earth can that then translate into a "terrible" summer?
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1 minute ago, Sunny76 said:
That’s your opinion, and that’s fine
I personally have not been a fan of this summer. It’s been too cloudy, and some days I’ve had to cancel outdoor activities because of the rain.
‘It’s been poor for a much longer period of time, over anything that would be deemed as ‘acceptable summer conditions’ for the U.K.
Again, I’m from the south, so my expectation of what I see as a good summer, will vary completely from people further north, or people who prefer much cooler weather.
Because that has never happened in summer, absolutely unprecedented.
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First time I'm noticing that the sun angle is lower at midday than it was a month or so ago, a full 10 degrees lower in the sky.
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Just now, razorgrain said:
To be fair, apparently such high dewpoints are increasing in regularity and frequency in summer forecasts over the past few years. Someone else was saying it was very rare to even see ~20°c some years ago but now they're regularly throwing them out.
26C would have to be well above anything we've ever seen before. I can't find any records, but for context the current dew point in Miami is 25C!
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Storms and Convective discussion - August 2023
in Storms & Severe Weather
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Unusual but not unheard of. And I'm about to go onto a Teams conference with TfL to try to explain the whole mess without sounding like I haven't got a clue.