Mr Frost

Great to see a balanced and realistic post in here. The constant mention of Spanish plumes, heatwaves and the odd post of a freeze over the past 3 weeks have been grinding my gears. (We are fast approaching May and there has never been a hope in hell of either these options, bog standard Spring weather is what we have - nothing more, nothing less) A bit of realism would not go a miss, I know everyone is pretty much craving heat but let's view all the available data and look for trends.

Scorcher if it is upsetting you so much go grab a shovel and help out. Fed up reading this nonsense in the model output discussion thread. The cold is here to stay for another 7 days at least. (Chance of snow also) I for one will be enjoying every minute of it.

Hayzus christy! I thought this was the model output discussion! Instead I have entered a whining Bill Oddie loving/Farmers club/Beechgrove garden tribute page. If anyone here is concerned about all the above I suggest you take up another hobby.

The latest Met office forecast for my region... Outlook for Tuesday to Thursday: Very cold with further snow showers on Tuesday, prolonged at first with strong easterly winds and drifting snow. Becoming drier with some sun mid-week, winds easing, but severe frosts inland. Issued at: 1600 on Sun 17 Mar 2013 It really is amazing to be reading this on March 17 2013! It would be more suited to mid Winter. I look forward to some warm, dry and sunny weather in April...hopefully!

Will do. Another 5 days of fantastic wintry weather (in the middle of March) suits me. After that, who knows? Although I would much prefer dry and cold than below average/average with rain!

Some quite ridiculous snow totals for late March if this GFS verifies! Scotland, Northern/Central/Eastern parts of England would be in for a absolute pasting. Truly is incredible. If you live in these parts and enjoy cold weather get excited! You may not see the likes again for another 50 years in late March! UKMO insane for Scotland GFS a few days later.

Insane ECM from 48 hours until the end IMBY. After a day of snowfall here it seems as though I may have lots more to look forward to starting from Monday night onwards! You have to love the British climate! Feel a bit sorry for those who prefer mild, 4 months of cold so far and no end in sight. Surely April will deliver some warmth? (I am writing off the rest of March for any) The sustained cold over Scandinavia is off the scale, must be hoping Gavin pops onto the weather forum over there to show the ensembles showing a warm up...next week, the week after...if you post it every day it will happen eventually. :-)

Copied from In depth discussion thread. A GP special for the coldies! AVE IT!!!

Spot on Chris. I think this is what the met office are hinting at in today's update (hopefully Ian F would be kind enough to give us a fleeting thought on this? ) and also what GP and others have alluded too. Maybe the coldest spell of Winter to come during February? We shall see. Chin up for those who have had nothing during the current wintry spell. (I have only had a 1 cm covering which lasted 24 hours) Plenty of Winter left for everyone to get involved!

What I don't understand is...when a freeze is shown at 240 on the models people urge caution and act as though everyone on this is 5 years old and are unable to think for themselves. However, when zonal is shown at 240 sheer panic sets in and folk try to push it as being the likely outcome! Very bizarre!

The only thing possible Tom is that the next run in the morning will show something completely different. I would not get too upset about anything after 120+ just now.

The Scandinavian high is the skid mark on the underpants of weather forums throughout Europe. Give me a Greenland high over that solution any day in Winter! To sum up all charts for today so far...trending seasonal...slight warm up and then colder. It is as easy as that folks!

Some rather strange comments in here recently. Why are you complaining, looking for every worse case scenario possible and searching for the breakdown every given opportunity? Most of the UK has not seen a single snowflake so far this Winter! The strat, ens and charts all lead us into a Wintry outlook at some point over the next few weeks! For the love of god if you don't like snow or cold please stick in into you're preferences section so I can then understand some of the posts in here. People complaining about the GFS, it is still a cold run and just for fun it ends with a classic pattern locking in. If you love cold weather and currently can't be positive about it I suggest you take up another hobby.

PubliusEnigma, on 04 January 2013 - 19:30 , said: Only a fool throws caution to the wind... Thats a deep low feeding in albeit SSE;lys theres nothing that cold on the continent, and behind the front we are in a S or SSW flow. So to sum up to many chickens being counted, without any of the eggs being hatched. More runs needed.. T144 and beyond is probably FI if not earlier. If you have a passion for wintry weather and the background signals, charts and analysis from highly respected members all back up the idea of cold weather arriving from mid month then why not throw caution to the wind? However, if you prefer mild then I could see why certain members post what they do. Everyone can see and think for themselves, the whole point for me coming to this thread in Winter is to get hyped up and excited for the arrival of snow! And when the buzz is at this stage for what might happen in the 2nd half of January...I am going to ride that wave with every positive and excited bone in my body! I don't understand the repetitive, negative tone in the posts of the same 2 or 3 people everyday. (Unless they prefer mild!) Anyways, onwards and upwards. Things are looking extremely interesting.

Belongs here Syed. The CFS is usually WHEELED out in emergencies for mild or cold lovers. It has never had a HANDLE on any pattern or trend. I would keep a LID on it and just browse at you're own leisure for a bit of fun.

Thanks for clearing that up again Ian as per my post from a couple of days back. (See below) Yes, I would check the CFS often in the past. It changed from week to week and I wondered how reliable it was...until Ian F gave us the information that it was never used by them. It is about as much use as a cat flap on a submarine. Edited by Mr Frost, 30 December 2012 - 17:27 . It was wheeled out recently to show a flat and zonal pattern through January and February. I would rather watch a documentary on quicksand than sit through a CFS run. (Whether it shows zonal or a snowfest) Again, thank you for you're continued posts in here. Fantastic to hear the thoughts of the metoffice.

Yes, I would check the CFS often in the past. It changed from week to week and I wondered how reliable it was...until Ian F gave us the information that it was never used by them. It is about as much use as a cat flap on a submarine.

Great post SK. I have highlighted and underlined something that EVERYONE should take on board. I get the feeling certain folk are expecting blizzards within the next week going by the buzz killington posts in here.

I am beginning to get used to the usual " winter is over " posts on here throughout the past 10 days... It shows no sign of dying out I see! Amazing. Nothing to get excited about at present or for the next 10 days I imagine. I would advise a wee break from chart viewing if you are a coldie. Hopefully the SSW delivers for our tiny island during January, I am sure most will get a wintry spell at some point during the next 10 weeks. Only a matter of time I would have thought. Until then relax, be patient and adopt a positive attitude. It stops you from making hasty remarks.

Had to double take on the name of this thread, thought I had stumbled across a Stratosphere bashing one. Not much to look forward to currently from a coldies view. However, we all know how unreliable the models have been over the past couple of weeks so who knows really what is going to happen come January. Although, going by what is being posted in here most seem to know exactly what will happen. Bizarre indeed. Have a fantastic Christmas everyone! Let's hope us snow lovers have something to cheer about after New Year.

A fair number of IMBY posts in here so I will add mine. After 12 days of harsh frosts and 3 separate snowfalls to start Winter I am not fussed about any mild weather! It makes a nice change to see some rain and hear wind! Also, White Christmas looks in with a shout for a number of places in the North of the UK going by the models and thoughts of the met office. Winter will come to most parts at some stage during the next 3 months, be patient and look for trends/read the strat thread. No point constantly whining about how crap it looks currently. If you are that depressed about it book a trip to Lapland or a return flight to Scandanvia for a long weekend. Early days for us in the UK, plenty of time for Winter wonderlands.

You do get the impression that certain people who post in the MT have no clue sometimes. Saying cold is 14 days away and how for the past week we have been seeing great eye candy charts in fi but nothing has happened!? Pretty much everyone in this thread has been enjoying a late Autumn/early Winter wonderland. Frosts, ice and snow for a good number of days and below average temperatures continuing for the foreseeable with a high chance of something special brewing from mid month. I do respect the posts that everyone makes but when it is total Betty Swollocks it does grate on you a bit. And I must say, absolutely stunning pictures posted in this thread recently.

People harping on here about no cold here and no cold there! I have had a permanent ground frost day and night for 6 days now! And a snowfall last night that is still on the ground. Maybe people should say what area they are referring to when discussing what they see in the models? Rather than self back slapping about no deep cold for 10/14 days away or whatever. It gets rather tedious to say the least. If you think the current charts are poor I suggest you move to Lapland for a daily fix of snow.

I know this is not model related but i would like to say thank you for your fantastic updates regarding the current snowfall here in Scotland. About 2cm currently on the ground and still going strong. I am 15 miles south east of Glasgow so earlier comments of accumulations look spot on!

Yes, I almost gave up earlier!!! Snow settling nicely now!