The Uk's Coldest City

[NorthernRab]

Are you open to suggestions as to where you should go?

:lol: ... :lol:

[Yeti]

Are you open to suggestions as to where you should go?

Great Asby, of course. :lol: :lol:

I think I'd better just go away to Knaresboroughgate.

Edited December 29, 2008 by Yeti

[Mondy]

Brilliant OON

Have to admit this is one thread I'd like to see staying open for just a bit longer. Has to be in the Top 10 of NW threads 2008, for stupidity (thanks to young Yeti)!

[NorthernRab]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I was there last year. It really did seem like the up-and-coming hotshot city in Europe though, I can't think of anywhere else so progressive and fast growing. Heaven only knows, soon it will be the most important place in the EU!

Hmmmm let's not go there! :lol:

What if I was to say that I consider all English people to be extremely stupid? Would that be OK? Of course not, because it's wrong. You've got to learn to accept fact from what you feel Yeti, you'll be a lot more mature when you can do that.

[Osbourne One-Nil]

Many thanks Mondy - for a few brief moments, you and I are Stalin and Churchill bonded through a common cause.

I agree - this thread is absolutely fantastic!

[Yeti]

Brilliant OON

Have to admit this is one thread I'd like to see staying open for just a bit longer. Has to be in the Top 10 of NW threads 2008, for stupidity (thanks to young Yeti)!

Well that's one thing we agree on then! You're welcome :lol: . Honestly, all these people being brainwashed by politicians, telling them where is a city and where isn't. :lol:

[PersianPaladin]

How you can think that a "fact is a fact" and that nothing simply made by other people can be challenged is beyond me - so what if somebody else has decided that Inverness is a city?

Interesting the number of people from Inverness in this thread :lol:

Clearly city status is very important to a lot of people.

I do understand your point about challenging and questionning institutional judgements; but I guess from a point of convenience for meterologists - it saves them time (and headaches) in using the accepted definitions for the UK.

Edited December 29, 2008 by PersianPaladin

[NorthernRab]

Well that's one thing we agree on then! You're welcome :lol: . Honestly, all these people being brainwashed by politicians, telling them where is a city and where isn't. :lol:

Steady on there George Orwell

[Yeti]

What if I was to say that I consider all English people to be extremely stupid? Would that be OK? Of course not, because it's wrong. You've got to learn to accept fact from what you feel Yeti, you'll be a lot more mature when you can do that.

I think you have answered you're own question. Why do you say it's wrong that all English people are stupid?

Because reason tells you it's not true. That's exactly my point, you can't go against your reason when your perception tells you something different :lol: .

If you feel one thing but know another to be true, by inherent, a priori fact, then what you feel is wrong and irrelevant. Hence why the Earth is round etc. My point all along has been that "city status" is not an a priori fact. It's little more than a perception in itself, but one of other people. Phenomenology is all we have here, and hence why I don't propose for a minute blurring perception and true fact.

If you think that city status in Britain is based upon the same rational background as the Earth being round, well that's your choice.

God this is ridiculous!

Edited December 29, 2008 by Yeti

[Norrance]

Could I just ask [politely] if anyone out there has access [a Mr Data type person] to the average Winter [Dec - Feb] temperatures for all UK cities North of say Sheffield [unlikely that the coldest would come from South of there I would think] and then perhaps we could all put this to bed untill the next time? Meanwhile was Inverness the coldest today? :lol: .

[NorthernRab]

I think you have answered you're own question. Why do you say it's wrong that all English people are stupid?

Because reason tells you it's not true. That's exactly my point, you can't go against your reason when your perception tells you something different :lol: .

If you feel one thing but know another to be true, by inherent, a priori fact, then what you feel is wrong and irrelevant. Hence why the Earth is round etc. My point all along has been that "city status" is not an a priori fact. It's little more than a perception in itself, but one of other people. Phenomenology is all we have here, and hence why I don't propose for a minute blurring perception and true fact.

If you think that city status in Britain is based upon the same rational background as the Earth being round, well that's your choice.

God this is ridiculous!

I know, you seem to have a problem with authority.

Now you've gone from George Orwell to Huxley!

No Yeti, you don't seem to understand, I don't care. I think city status has long been a case of letters patent, royal opinion. Either way, I really don't care Yeti, IT'S A CITY.

So city is a case of individual perception? Well, as rediculous as that sounds let's play ball. I proclaim Braemar the coldest city in the UK, and it wears the NorthernRab Seal of Approval. :lol:

Could I just ask [politely] if anyone out there has access [a Mr Data type person] to the average Winter [Dec - Feb] temperatures for all UK cities North of say Sheffield [unlikely that the coldest would come from South of there I would think] and then perhaps we could all put this to bed untill the next time? Meanwhile was Inverness the coldest today? :lol: .

It was, -4'C daytime max two days running now :lol:

Edited December 29, 2008 by NorthernRab

[Yeti]

I know, you seem to have a problem with authority.

So city is a case of individual perception? Well, as rediculous as that sounds let's play ball. I proclaim Braemar the coldest city in the UK, and it wears the NorthernRab Seal of Approval. :lol:

Well you have an odd sense of reason then! That example is just stupid and actually is the opposite of what I am saying.

And yes I do have a problem with authority, I'm not a true socialist for nothing! :lol:

[NorthernRab]

Well you have an odd sense of reason then! That example is just stupid and actually is the opposite of what I am saying.

And yes I do have a problem with authority, I'm not a true socialist for nothing! :lol:

I'm also a socialist, still doesn't mean that I deny fact.

Are you not a little bit concious of the fact that no one agrees with you?

[Mondy]

I'd like to know your thoughts, Yeti, on Newry, Lisburn, Preston and Newport being cities..if only to give me a good giggle :lol:

[Yeti]

I'd like to know your thoughts, Yeti, on Newry, Lisburn, Preston and Newport being cities..if only to give me a good giggle :lol:

Never been there lol

Are you not a little bit concious of the fact that no one agrees with you?

Nope. Conscious, but not self-conscious.

Plenty of people who have actually read around the subject do. Try Jean-Paul Sartre or Foucault :lol:

I tend to trust them just a tad more :lol:

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with city status - I am allowed to use the word city am I not? Come on, how can somewhere like Ely be a city these days, the whole thing is old-fashioned and borders on absurd at times. I have always had a laugh driving into Ripon with the signs saying "city centre". If the Queen says it's a city, good for her, but to me it's not a city, however immature you may think it is to disagree with the Queen Mr. Socialist :lol:

Edited December 29, 2008 by Yeti

[NorthernRab]

Never been there lol

Nope. :lol:

Plenty of people who have actually read around the subject do. Try Jean-Paul Sartre or Foucault :lol:

I tend to trust them just a tad more :lol:

Oh come off it Yeti. Pretentious is the kindest word that springs to mind at the moment.

Whether you regard Inverness a city or not it is officially a city according the UK government, and therefore is a valid settlement for discussion. Congratulations, you think otherwise. Doesn't change anything.

Edited December 29, 2008 by NorthernRab

[Yeti]

Oh come of it Yeti. Pretentious is the kindest word that springs to mind at the moment.

Whether you regard Inverness a city or not it is officially a city according the UK government, and therefore is a valid settlement for discussion. Congratulations, you think otherwise. Doesn't change anything.

^^ above post edited lol

Agree with you there though. It doesn't change anything, I'm not so fickle as to trust the UK government :lol:

Certainly it is a valid settlement for discussion - the best we have. I'm happy to accept "official city status" for the sake of this argument, even if I don't think they really are cities - as PP says it makes life easier and it's the only proper list there is.

However, Inverness still isn't as cold as Aberdeen or Durham annually according to the figures, even with your nice cold pools moving in from the Glens. And today's temp is irrelevant!

PS very tempted to correct the spelling in your above post but will resist the temptation. After all, no need to be pretentious. :lol:

Edited December 29, 2008 by Yeti

[NorthernRab]

^^ above post edited lol

Agree with you there though. It doesn't change anything, I'm not so fickle as to trust the UK government :lol:

Certainly it is a valid settlement for discussion - the best we have. I'm happy to accept "official city status" for the sake of this argument, even if I don't think they really are cities - as PP says it makes life easier and it's the only proper list there is.

However, Inverness still isn't as cold as Aberdeen or Durham annually according to the figures, even with your nice cold pools moving in from the Glens. And today's temp is irrelevant!

*Inverness, Dalcross*, by the poor data we have for Inverness! But in this sense you are correct. Finally, something intelligent coming out of your mouth.

Never been there lol

Nope. Conscious, but not self-conscious.

Plenty of people who have actually read around the subject do. Try Jean-Paul Sartre or Foucault

I tend to trust them just a tad more :lol:

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with city status - I am allowed to use the word city am I not? Come on, how can somewhere like Ely be a city these days, the whole thing is old-fashioned and borders on absurd at times. I have always had a laugh driving into Ripon with the signs saying "city centre". If the Queen says it's a city, good for her, but to me it's not a city, however immature you may think it is to disagree with the Queen Mr. Socialist

Also, a socialist from Harrogate :lol: :lol: :lol:

Edited December 29, 2008 by NorthernRab

[Yeti]

*Inverness, Dalcross*, but you are correct. Finally, something intelligent coming out of your mouth.

Also, a socialist from Harrogate :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol:

No, finally something you agree with

Actually I'm verging on communist but I think I might be the only one in Harrogate

Next time I think I'll just keep quiet to avoid a load more members thinking I'm an idiot! :lol:

[NorthernRab]

:lol: :lol:

No, finally something you agree with :lol:

Actually I'm verging on communist but I think I might be the only one in Harrogate :lol:

Next time I think I'll just keep quiet to avoid a load more members thinking I'm an idiot! :lol:

Hallelujah!!

Finally accepting the truth, glad to hear it

Edited December 29, 2008 by NorthernRab

[Yeti]

Hallelujah!!

Finally accepting the truth, glad to hear it :lol:

:lol: :lol:

Just testing you :lol:

Didn't say I was an idiot though , nobody's an idiot and everybody is allowed their own ideas (in this case they are not my own, just those I happen to agree with). Did you know that the word "idiot" is actually derived from the Greek idiotes which means, "individual"? It just shows what society's opinion of independent thought is/has been. :lol:

Edited December 29, 2008 by Yeti

[NorthernRab]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Just testing you :lol:

Didn't say I was an idiot though :lol: , nobody's an idiot and everybody is allowed their own ideas (in this case they are not my own, just those I happen to agree with). Did you know that the word "idiot" is actually derived from the Greek idiotes which means, "individual"? It just shows what society's opinion of independent thought is/has been.

Alright Yeti, back on topic.

[skifreak]

I'm going to bring in another gem to this thread. The BBC weather maps and lack of temperature data. The old temperature contour maps showed clearly the extent to which rural and/or more inland areas were colder than coastal regions even where actual figures were missing. The large square temperature symbols on the maps now mean there are far fewer figures given and they are all either coastal or large cities - most of the land mass of the UK isn't represented at all on these charts.

On the old system there used to be temps for the Central Highlands and Strathspey and further in on the Moray Firth, these combined give useful temps for Inverness - the current maps do not at all. The lowest minimum on these charts has been -2c or so the last few nights when Inverness has been maxing at -4c. It was -10c in Aviemore last night and nothing to indicate inland temps in Scotland AT ALL on these absurd charts.

[Yeti]

I'm going to bring in another gem to this thread. The BBC weather maps and lack of temperature data. The old temperature contour maps showed clearly the extent to which rural and/or more inland areas were colder than coastal regions even where actual figures were missing. The large square temperature symbols on the maps now mean there are far fewer figures given and they are all either coastal or large cities - most of the land mass of the UK isn't represented at all on these charts.

On the old system there used to be temps for the Central Highlands and Strathspey and further in on the Moray Firth, these combined give useful temps for Inverness - the current maps do not at all. The lowest minimum on these charts has been -2c or so the last few nights when Inverness has been maxing at -4c. It was -10c in Aviemore last night and nothing to indicate inland temps in Scotland AT ALL on these absurd charts.

That's true of the whole of the UK, these days they only show a few major places which is a shame because frankly the temperature in Manchester and Newcastle is not very indicative of what it is here. I much preferred the old graphics even if they were less modern-looking.

Also annoying is when they put the four day outlook for Edinburgh, Cardiff, Belfast and London. Which should I look at?

Edited December 29, 2008 by Yeti

[trickydicky]

I'm going to bring in another gem to this thread. The BBC weather maps and lack of temperature data. The old temperature contour maps showed clearly the extent to which rural and/or more inland areas were colder than coastal regions even where actual figures were missing. The large square temperature symbols on the maps now mean there are far fewer figures given and they are all either coastal or large cities - most of the land mass of the UK isn't represented at all on these charts.

On the old system there used to be temps for the Central Highlands and Strathspey and further in on the Moray Firth, these combined give useful temps for Inverness - the current maps do not at all. The lowest minimum on these charts has been -2c or so the last few nights when Inverness has been maxing at -4c. It was -10c in Aviemore last night and nothing to indicate inland temps in Scotland AT ALL on these absurd charts.

I agree with this 110%, I don't understand how the BBC can put graphics on their website and tv forecasts that are totally wrong, this weekend in Aviemore being a perfect example, although to be fair they have now totally changed the minima on the 5 dayer for Aviemore. Their forecasts on tv basically give no clue for anyone living outside of a city what the temperature will be at night, which isn't fair really, I want to know. They have taken most of what was good out of their TV forecasts, I used to like the old league tables they showed after a cold night with the lowest minima from around the country. 

Couldn't really be any further off topic I know!!