North West England Regional Discussion 21st January 2013, 06z onwards

[cfallon]

Anyone with a radar tell us if the snow is coming back east from the Irish Sea?

[Iceaxecrampon]

Totally agree. Have played back net/w radar images a few times and it seems echoes just are appearing - certainly not coming from a s/e track like earlier this morning. This is v interesting watching and a definition of nowcasting!!

Yes seems to be slowing backing up and intensifying near Ireland echoes are stronger for ppn - interesting!

Ian

[swainclubber]

Anyone with a radar tell us if the snow is coming back east from the Irish Sea?

not for us but its building faintly near sheffield

[ItIsGee]

Anyone with a radar tell us if the snow is coming back east from the Irish Sea?

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[UV-RAY]

Temp as now dropped to 1.9c and the skies have gone a lot darker.

Edited January 21, 2013 by Sceptical Inquirer

[cfallon]

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[NickyB]

Temp dropped from 1.7 to 1.3 in half an hour! Light Snow falling again but the snow from this morning pretty much went to slush.

[ItIsGee]

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my little stream from Castleton rochdale!

[SparkleS]

Been non stop snow here since last night, still snowing nowa, getting heavier again, such a shame the temps have risen as this amount of snow thats been coming down all night and oractically not stopped we would have been under tons of snow, just our luck really isnt it that its thawing out abit, dont get me wrong everywheres covered, but the road is now a slushy mess!

[snowdrifter]

Have to be honest - can't see the system tracking back towards us unless there's a change in movement in the next couple of hours. I'm just going off what I can see on the radar, but maybe I've not given it enough time yet.

[SparkleS]

Heavy snow again! When do temps start to fall? Although saying that its been almost 3 degrees here for the past 4 days lol even at night

[UV-RAY]

Temp is now 1.6c, skies maybe darker but there is now zilch falling from them. Also the heavy snow symbol on the MetO site for here has been downgraded to light snow. I think that will be pushing it really. Another damp squib for these parts.

Marks out of ten for winter so far, I would say 4.

Edited January 21, 2013 by Sceptical Inquirer

[Snow free zone]

Have to be honest - can't see the system tracking back towards us unless there's a change in movement in the next couple of hours. I'm just going off what I can see on the radar, but maybe I've not given it enough time yet.

Meto update seems to agree now saying light snow for this afternoon ......

[frosty ground]

Seems to be a back building shower that is crossing from Sheffield to Oldham at the moment..... had snow now for about an hour and half of moderate intensity, with more to come! Sending the temp back below frezzing.

[Liam J]

Snow cover getting less and less by each passing minute! Still snowing but nowhere near enough to replenish anything. 1.9c.

[trickydicky]

From Met Office, via wife:

"Some concern now that the area of snow across the west of the region is withdrawing northwards somewhat slower than expected and is pepping up in places, especially across southwest Cumbria and parts of Lancashire.

Hence the current Yellow warning for snow will be extended right across the region to the west coast across both Lancashire and Cumbria. The whole area will continue to move away to the north but over Cumbria in particular, there are likely to be a few cm of snow cover this afternoon away from the main Pennine risk area. Further localised disruption to travel is possible over the next 3 to 6 hours. Thereafter ice will start to take over as the main hazard, especially given that snow has fallen fairly widely across the region, in some places falling on top of what had previously lay after Friday’s event"

Edited January 21, 2013 by trickydicky

[ItIsGee]

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[wysiwyg]

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Current shot shows today's setup perfectly with the help of the overlays. A low centred over mid wales is dragging warm air up over the cold air to the north on its NE flank. An occluded front (The warm air is floating over the cold air and does not touch the ground) is running roughly through the Scotish borders east to west. As more warm air is pushed into this system it rises over the cold air, the warm air cools with altitude and pressure drop, its moisture condenses out and immediately freezes falling as snow. I suspect this feature is so weak now that the warm and cold air is almost mixed out giving the slight thaw currently being witnessed in some places. The track of this low (where it goes next) will dictate the weather for the next few hours. Latest 06Z GFS has it heading towards the NNW and merging with the larger LP system out to the west of Ireland that is trying to slide towards the SSE.

Edited January 21, 2013 by wysiwyg

[The Northern Ramper]

[Osca31]

Awful forecasting by the Met Office . No warnings on tv last night , dispite the fact you could see it tracking towards us on the radar. This morning and just now on BBC still shows west cumbria dry even though its been snowing since around 4am.

[Snowmad79]

Its really bad up here now. 5 inches in the sheltered areas close to the house further out in the garden and beyond in open more like 6-7 inches and that's is everywhere including the roads. 1ft drifting and no doubt higher else where. What a good do.

I won't be walking for an hour in that later to get to work! (oh and its still snowing moderately but fine in nature)

Edited January 21, 2013 by Snowmad79

[snowdrifter]

Wonderful photos Ramp! Got massive flakes here now. Still on the wet side though while drips going on.

[trickydicky]

Awful forecasting by the Met Office . No warnings on tv last night , dispite the fact you could see it tracking towards us on the radar. This morning and just now on BBC still shows west cumbria dry even though its been snowing since around 4am.

I don't go in for the Met Office bashing most of the time but I have to agree here. The TV forecasts today, not showing the snow in the 'nowcast' bit even when it was actually falling, and still not forecasting it, showing it staying comfortably on the eastern side of the pennines hours after radars had shown it moving to the west has been desperately poor. They've got so wound up with the threat of blizzards to the east nobody bothered to check where it was actually going. Its fair enough to forecast it wrong initially, but to continue issuing false forcasts looks silly.

Edited January 21, 2013 by trickydicky

[frosty ground]

Its really bad up here now. 5 inches in the sheltered areas close to the house further out in the garden and beyond in open more like 6-7 inches and that's is everywhere including the roads. 1ft drifting and no doubt higher else where. What a good do.

I won't be walking for an hour in that later to get to work! (oh and its still snowing moderately but fine in nature)

Is the snow heavy ATM, in Chadderton is been moderate.

[Osca31]

I don't go in for the Met Office bashing most of the time but I have to agree here. The TV forecasts today, not showing the snow in the 'nowcast' bit even when it was actually falling, and still not forecasting it, showing it staying comfortably on the eastern side of the pennines hours after radars had shown it moving to the west has been desperately poor. They've got so wound up with the threat of blizzards to the east nobody bothered to check where it was actually going. Its fair enough to forecast it wrong initially, but to continue issuing false forcasts looks silly.