Climate Change In The News - Spring 2013

[knocker]

I'm beginning to wonder whether the Viscount of Brenchley  is lurking on here using a number of pseudonyms.

[Gray-Wolf]

Watching 'Thin ice' is free (today and tomorrow) and folk might find their 'undeniable proof' there?

 

Go on , I dare you!

 

You get to see your 'gravy train' scientists at work as well!!! (and some guides on how to use the internet to access relevant data!!!)

[BornFromTheVoid]

Well ,I expect that would happen whether we are burning fossil fuels or anything else tbh.Im sure caveman got burnt when lighting there primative fires.It unfortunately boils down to money,greed and deciete not just with this issue but just about anything else.!

 

Indeed, but the amount of money that the fossil fuel industry costs us is much more significant than that invested in renewables.

 

Within the scientific community, the debate over whether or not we've caused the warming is over. We have caused it.

Numerous studies recently have shown that the Earth was cooling in the last 2 thousand years or so, and this suddenly reversed in the 19th century. Many of these studies suggest that the mechanisms for cooling are still in place, but they're being overridden by another factor, human GHG emissions.

 

But, the most powerful companies in the world will lose a lot of money if things change. So they are engaged in a massive campaign to persuade the public and politicians that AGW is a hoax, that there is no consensus, that there is no evidence, that it's the sun, oceans, cosmic rays, God or whatever. They produce very little research themselves.

 

Infact...

 

Not a single national or international scientific body rejects human induced climate change.

 

Money, greed and deceit, has indeed, too much of an influence. It's a pity.

[BornFromTheVoid]

Could you provide a single shred of evidence to back up claims that rising CO2 levels override natural forcings, by evidence I mean undeniable proof.

 

Current scientific understanding can always be overthrown when new evidence is presented, it's how science evolves. It sounds to me like you want some kind of god-like proclamation, well there are better places for that.

 

Do you refuse to take anti-biotics because we don't fully understand the human body?

 

Do you deny that smoking causes cancer? Because so many things cause it, we still haven't been able to say with 100% confidence that any particular cancer case was caused by smoking.

[4wd]

What is with all the campaigners on here lately, there seems to be a torrent of this sort of vitriolic nonsense.

The real beneficiaries of fossil fuel use is all of us.
Not your imagined greedy companies.
I do despair that people with this sort of agenda seem to have limitless time to promote the garbage until believed by the gullible.

What exactly is your wonderful alternative energy source - which in BTV and GW world is being suppressed by these "wicked greedy corporations" ?
Sorry, but waffle about low energy lightbulbs and super-duper insulation are not a realistic alternative.

 

 

 

 

Money, greed and deceit, has indeed, too much of an influence. It's a pity.

 

[Methuselah]

What exactly is your wonderful alternative energy source - which in BTV and GW world is being suppressed by these "wicked greedy corporations" ?

Sorry, but waffle about low energy lightbulbs and super-duper insulation are not a realistic alternative.

Indeed they are not, 4; the greedy corporations will just up their prices sufficiently to account for reduced demand. Then again, aren't they doing that already?

 

There's no beating a foreign-owned private monopoly. Thanks a bunch Mags, Tone and Dave - all in it together?

[UV-RAY]

Current scientific understanding can always be overthrown when new evidence is presented, it's how science evolves. It sounds to me like you want some kind of god-like proclamation, well there are better places for that.

 

Do you refuse to take anti-biotics because we don't fully understand the human body?

 

Do you deny that smoking causes cancer? Because so many things cause it, we still haven't been able to say with 100% confidence that any particular cancer case was caused by smoking.

What an odd response, ok then do you swallow any old theory that can't be proven then?

[BornFromTheVoid]

What an odd response, ok then do you swallow any old theory that can't be proven then?

 

Completely avoiding my questions, well done.

 

In answer to yours, no.

[Methuselah]

The divide between scepticism and denialism continues to widen...

[knocker]

Quite an interesting artcle and links.

 

One of the most persistent myths I have to constantly break down the impression a lot of folks still have  that the science of global climate change was invented by Al Gore in 2006.

 

In fact, the basic physics were outlined almost 2 centuries ago, and firmly nailed down shortly after World War 2.

 

The pioneers include some names that have been forgotten.

 

 

http://climatecrocks.com/2013/04/23/guy-callendar-called-it-75-years-ago/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Polar Maritime]

[knocker]

Over the last decade, severe heatwaves around Australia have resulted in deaths and in increased hospital admissions for heart attacks, strokes, kidney disease and acute renal failure. During the severe heatwaves in southeastern Australia in 2009, Melbourne experienced three consecutive days at or above 43°C in late January. There were 980 heat- related deaths during this period, 374 more than would have occurred on average for that time of year (DHS, 2009; Figure 2). During the Brisbane heatwave of 7-26 February 2004 the temperature ranged from 26° to 42°C. 

 

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2013/04/graph-of-day-mortality-and-temperature.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Paul]

Locking this for now, so that relevant climate change articles can be posted into the new more defined threads.