Novel Coronavirus – China

[kold weather]

10 minutes ago, Snipper said:

At least the government seems to be trying to do their best in very difficult circumstances. They seem to be calmly, getting on, with apparently the opposition,  dealing with things that are un precedented in current times.  God knows what the situation would be with this forum trying to deal with anything. 

I think they have done ok, however I think I'd have put a ban in place for large indoor events at least by this point, outdoor events are a little different, however certainly a debate to be had there.

I'd have probably tried to increase the testing rates at the start of this week rather than now, however that may not have been something they could physically do.

I agree with their plan, I just think they are probably 3-5 days too slow in getting things going, and as Spain has shown, 3-5 days is the difference between 200 and 2000.

[jules216]

22 minutes ago, kold weather said:

We are definitely not China though, unfortunately for us, Italy is a far better comparison in terms of the actions that are being taken. It can be jumped upon, but requires either huge social shutdown, or an utterly monstrous testing program on literally anyone at risk. (100,000s tests)

We have done neither of those, and therefore will follow the rest f Europe down the toilet in due course.

Yes Europe is no China, I read an interview with Slovak citizen in Italy that lot of young Italians treat school closures like a holiday and gather en mass in shopping centres.Being from overly social culture like the latin one is disadvantage as they just wont stay indoors. Here in Slovakia we have 10 cases so far and generaly slavic countries are very disciplined and listen to guidelines as we were used to in communism. Bratislava region had no issue closing schools and our sporting events are mostly canceled or postponed

[Summer Sun]

Breaking: Denmark closing all schools and universities. Some public sector workers to be sent home from Friday

 

Edited March 11, 2020 by Summer Sun

[kold weather]

3 minutes ago, Snowy L said:

It's obvious the government is listening to the CMO who has emphasised that timing is everything with this. He said we will get 50% of all cases in just a 3 week period so the lockdown has to be timed to capture all of this. What we don't want to do is go potentially up to a month too early then fatigue will set in by the time the real peak hits.

For sure, I get the feeling based on what is happening throughout Europe though that this is escalating quite a bit quicker than expected. We haven't seen that uptick in numbers yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start that 3 week period sooner rather than later.

I know they were trying to get this through to the summer, but I'd be stunned if we aren't in full lockdown mode by April 15. I pray I;m wrong.

[Zak M]

1 minute ago, Summer Sun said:

Breaking: Denmark closing all schools and universities.

 

Yet they have less cases than us and universities and schools aren't closed here?

[Frost HoIIow]

22 minutes ago, feb1991blizzard said:

Yes Aaron - I told em - told everyone in January it was going to happen -  if unqualified people with no knowledge at all about the spread of viruses apart from the blatantly obvious stuff about personal hygiene can see it why cannot they. Only someone with the intellect level of a gnat would have let this happen.

Unfortunately my missus doesn't think it's real. And thinks it's all being blown out of proportion. I just don't talk to her about it anymore as I get earache & high blood pressure. She blew her top the other day because I bought a mask. Really don't see what's wrong in being prepared for any eventuality.

[Methuselah]

2 minutes ago, Spikecollie said:

Probably, but when you are governed by Donald Duck then logic is not paramount.

Well he does have the distinction of being the only human, in the history of the World, who bankrupted his own casino!

I think that says a lot about his 'natural genius'?

[DAVID SNOW]

2 minutes ago, Snowy L said:

It's obvious the government is listening to the CMO who has emphasised that timing is everything with this. He said we will get 50% of all cases in just a 3 week period so the lockdown has to be timed to capture all of this.

Yes spot on, the CMO and his team are the experts here, and it is THEM that are driving government decisions.

Not misleading as some would have us believe.

[Cheshire Freeze]

Just now, Zak M said:

Yet they have less cases than us and universities and schools aren't closed here?

Maybe they see the benefit of being proactive rather than reactive.

[Snipper]

4 minutes ago, kold weather said:

I think they have done ok, however I think I'd have put a ban in place for large indoor events at least by this point, outdoor events are a little different, however certainly a debate to be had there.

I'd have probably tried to increase the testing rates at the start of this week rather than now, however that may not have been something they could physically do.

I agree with their plan, I just think they are probably 3-5 days too slow in getting things going, and as Spain has shown, 3-5 days is the difference between 200 and 2000.

Very difficult judgement decision. So many interacting consequences concerning any decision made.  How many would want their neck on the line? Some find it difficult to do any job it seems.

[Snipper]

1 minute ago, Frost HoIIow said:

Unfortunately my missus doesn't think it's real. And thinks it's all being blown out of proportion. I just don't talk to her about it anymore as I get earache & high blood pressure. She blew her top the other day because I bought a mask. Really don't see what's wrong in being prepared for any eventuality.

The mask was to hide what you were mouthing?

[kold weather]

I do also get the argument that this is a marathon not a sprint, but people need to get a bit of that old British fortitude, the one that got us through the Blitz over a several month period.

Not that this is the same thing obviously, but the mindset needs to be one of unity and working for a greater good.

Hopefully they do move to delay tomorrow and introduce at least some things to start that process. I'm not expecting huge changes this week, but something to at least help things and to get the public services onto a stronger footing.

[Cheshire Freeze]

Just now, Snipper said:

Very difficult judgement decision. So many interacting consequences concerning any decision made.  How many would want their neck on the line? Some find it difficult to do any job it seems.

If you can't make the tough decisions that are needed when you're being paid 6 figures, you shouldn't be in the job. 

[daz_4]

Well we have a liftoff here in Czech Republic. 91 cases and almost 50 of them are from the last two days. 

[Spikecollie]

7 minutes ago, jules216 said:

Yes Europe is no China, I read an interview with Slovak citizen in Italy that lot of young Italians treat school closures like a holiday and gather en mass in shopping centres.Being from overly social culture like the latin one is disadvantage as they just wont stay indoors. Here in Slovakia we have 10 cases so far and generaly slavic countries are very disciplined and listen to guidelines as we were used to in communism. Bratislava region had no issue closing schools and our sporting events are mostly canceled or postponed

A lovely cultural insight - this may help people understand the "flexible" nature of the Italian "lockdown". Thank you.

[kold weather]

6 minutes ago, Zak M said:

Yet they have less cases than us and universities and schools aren't closed here?

To be fair, Denmark has had nearly 200 cases new today, I suspect we will be close behind once we start getting those sorts of cases every day. not quite there yet.

 

[Snipper]

4 minutes ago, CreweCold said:

If you can't make the tough decisions that are needed when you're being paid 6 figures, you shouldn't be in the job. 

Don’t think everybody thinks that.  But everyone entitled to an opinion thank goodness.

[kold weather]

8 minutes ago, Snipper said:

Very difficult judgement decision. So many interacting consequences concerning any decision made.  How many would want their neck on the line? Some find it difficult to do any job it seems.

My guess is they are trying to stablise the economy a little first with the measures from the budget and trying to limit the impact from the fallout of such a move, which is understandable. In an ideal world that shouldn't matter, but the reality is it does have some importance. 

My biggest problem with that though is the whole world economy is going to tank, at least the classic industrialized countries, at this point its going to be bad whatever option is done simply because the rest of Europe and the USA seems to be rapidly heading south.

Edited March 11, 2020 by kold weather

[Gray-Wolf]

10 minutes ago, Frost HoIIow said:

Unfortunately my missus doesn't think it's real. And thinks it's all being blown out of proportion. I just don't talk to her about it anymore as I get earache & high blood pressure. She blew her top the other day because I bought a mask. Really don't see what's wrong in being prepared for any eventuality.

Some folk hide their 'fears' this way?

They plod on as if nothing is happening believing if they don't give it 'credence' then it is not happening? (the same as those sat in a fetal ball, hands clasped over ears, screaming 'it's not happening,it's not happening, it's not happening!' to ease their angst?)

The sooner such folk just get out of the bloody way, and let those who 'can' get on with the dealing with it all, the better!!!

Edited March 11, 2020 by Gray-Wolf

[Cheshire Freeze]

1 minute ago, Snipper said:

Don’t think everybody thinks that.  But everyone entitled to an opinion thank goodness.

I meant it generally for any job. 

If your job is handsomely paid and involves making tough calls from time to time, someone who can not make tough calls effectively should not be in the job. Unfortunately there is a profligacy of people in jobs who are just not up to it when stuff hits the fan.

[Spikecollie]

6 minutes ago, Snipper said:

The mask was to hide what you were mouthing?

Denial is a psychological defence mechanism. Don't push it with her and just keep going about your business and keeping you both safe, she'll deal with it in her own way. My mother was like that with my father's terminal cancer. If someone builds a brick wall in their mind and you attack it with a sledge hammer, you'll both get trapped beneath the falling debris.

[Selliso]

11 minutes ago, Zak M said:

Yet they have less cases than us and universities and schools aren't closed here?

True, but expressed as cases per million, it is now 11.5 times higher than the UK.

[Spikecollie]

1 minute ago, CreweCold said:

I meant it generally for any job. 

If your job is handsomely paid and involves making tough calls from time to time, someone who can not make tough calls effectively should not be in the job. Unfortunately there is a profligacy of people in jobs who are just not up to it when stuff hits the fan.

If a job sufficiently compromises (and this is a subjective perception/decision) your own mental or physical health - then stuff the job, frankly.

[Stabilo19]

19 minutes ago, Stabilo19 said:

Quite unbelievable listening to a GP talk on BBC London news, saying:

"The death rate will be much lower in the UK than elsewhere"

 

The UK's fatality rate is higher than any other country with similar # of *reported* positive cases. That GP is an idiot.

(This is obviously a rough estimate and not 100% accurate but gives us a rough idea of our current position).

[Snipper]

2 minutes ago, CreweCold said:

I meant it generally for any job. 

If your job is handsomely paid and involves making tough calls from time to time, someone who can not make tough calls effectively should not be in the job. Unfortunately there is a profligacy of people in jobs who are just not up to it when stuff hits the fan.

Let’s hope we don’t get too fractious.  I am sure we are all only concerned that everything is done for the best.  Just we all come from a different place.  Onward and forward together?