Storms and Convective discussion - 1st May 2022 onwards

[Allseasons-Si]

I have bunked off work today as i am not stepping into a furnace,yesterday was bad enough with a few members going home,...i hope a storm comes to fruition with this heat.

Edited July 19, 2022 by Allseasons-si
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[Turquoise]

16 minutes ago, alexisj9 said:

SW, doesn't include all south. Although we have had a storm in Dover. 

pretty much everywhere along the south coast has had at least a storm or two this summer....especially the CS area around Isle Of Wight and towards London....

[alexisj9]

5 minutes ago, Raindrops said:

Storm Forecast
Valid: Tue 19 Jul 2022 06:00 to Wed 20 Jul 2022 06:00 UTC
Issued: Mon 18 Jul 2022 23:51
Forecaster: BEYER

A level 2 was issued for S to C France for large to very large hail, severe wind gusts, and excessive precipitation.

A level 1 was issued for parts of Spain and France into far S Belgium extending the level 2 for overnight activity mainly for excessive precipitation and to a lesser extent for large hail.

A level 1 was issued for the W Alps and the Sea Alps mainly for excessive precipitation and to a lesser extent for severe wind gusts.

A level 1 was issued for parts of W Russia mainly for excessive precipitation and to a lesser extent for tornadoes.

A level 1 was issued for S Russia adjacent to the Caucasus Mountains mainly for excessive precipitation and to a lesser extent for tornadoes.

SYNOPSIS

An unusual strong long-wave ridge is present over C Europe and moves slowly eastward during the forecast period. At the same time, a cut-off upper-level low is present over the Bay of Biscay moving to the English Channel during the night to Wednesday. On its forward flank, a hot airmass is advected far to the North. This record-breaking heat will bring new temperature records to many parts of W and C Europe.

This hot airmass is also characterized by a strong elevated mixed layer with steep lapse rates (1 to 4 km) but a very dry BL. A dry surface trough with strong cold air advection is passing France during the forecast period from W to E and reaches Germany during the night.

Strong synoptic lift is forecasted with the upper-level low that influences especially S France.

Further to the east, an upper-level trough influences W Russia and parts of E Europe with rather cool and unstable airmasses. Several short wave features can be found along the flanks of the UL low. A pronounced short wave trough is moving southward on the W flank of the trough during the night hours.

DISCUSSION

... France ...

As already mentioned in the synopsis the hot and record-breaking airmass is characterized by a deep elevated mixed layer but also very dry BL with low dewpoints and values of specific humidity. The forming surface trough that extends from Great Britain to N France and is moving eastward, will thus pass completely dry with a sharp shift of LL winds and a strong pressure rise further upstream that may bring a few strong wind gusts but no convection.

Further to the south the strong southerly to southwesterly flow that crosses the Pyrenees will lead to lee cyclogenesis just N of the Pyrenees. Strong moisture pooling is forecasted in that region. The strong lift due to the approaching UL low in combination with the orographically induced lee cyclogenesis is forecasted to initiate several storms N of the Pyrenees.

At the same time, mid-level and deep layer shear is strengthening from the west. Low-level wind profiles show a nice veering and up to 200 m^2/s^2 of SRH0-3 is forecasted. As a result, the initiated storm may rapidly develop into rotating supercells.

These mesocyclonic storms may bring large to very large hail taking into account the steep mid-level lapse rates and MUCAPE values of 2000 to 3000 J/kg.

At the same time, DCAPE values of around 500 J/kg are present having an inverted-V low-level profile. Thus also severe wind gusts are possible. LAMs point to wind gusts of well above 25 m/s with those initiated storms.

During the late evening and night hours, the convection is forecasted to move further north related to the synoptic scale forcing of the trough. Having rather parallel shear vectors (pointing S to N) along the organizing feature convection is forecasted to cluster into a linear MCS. Precipitable water has values of up to 40 mm and convection may repeatedly move over the same region. As a result, there is an enhanced threat of excessive precipitation while the chance for large hail is decreasing during the night hours.

At the end of the outlook period, convection should reach NE France and S Belgium but the threat of severe weather is decreasing.

... W Alps ...

Synoptic scale forcing in this region is rather weak but thanks to the orography somewhat enhanced LL moisture (advected with S winds from the Mediterranean) can overlap with the steep lapse rates. As a result CAPE values of up to 1000 J/kg are forecasted to develop.

Given very weak wind shear clustering convection along the orography is forecasted to develop in the afternoon hours. Storms are forecasted to be only slow-moving and therefore excessive precipitation is a prominent threat in this region. In addition, low levels are dry with inverted-V profiles. Thus, especially at the beginning, also strong to severe wind gusts cannot be excluded.

... parts of W Russia ...

A lot of convective activity due to the UL trough is forecasted over W Russia. Strong and persistent convergence is predicted in the region of the surface low that is situated perpendicular below the mid to upper-level low. Precipitable water is forecasted to have values well above 30 mm. Repeated convection enhances the threat of excessive precipitation in the LVL 1 area.

In addition, there is a chance for one or two type-II tornadoes having weak low to upper-level converging winds around the low-level center as well as very low LCLs.

... S Russia ...

Some CAPE can develop close to the Black Sea due to a very moist BL that can develop with somewhat steep lapse rates from further inland. Thus some storms close to the E coast of the Black Sea are forecasted to develop. These may locally bring excessive precipitation given the high values of precipitable water.

Low-level winds are forecasted to be rather weak and LCLs are close to the surface. As a result, we would not exclude waterspouts from these storms.

Further inland almost no CAPE is forecasted. However persistent and strong precipitation can be found in some of the models. These precipitations may be convectively enhanced. Thus the LVL1 was extended further inland to account for an enhanced threat of excessive precipitation also having in mind the high values of precipitable water (40 to 45 mm).

Èstofex

So no ppn, but they say lightning. Sound dangerous concidering how dry we are. Hope I'm misunderstanding things.

[MP-R]

A cluster of strikes in the Bristol Channel between here and Wales. Looks threatening that way.

[Mesoscale]

2 minutes ago, alexisj9 said:

So no ppn, but they say lightning. Sound dangerous concidering how dry we are. Hope I'm misunderstanding things.

Wildfires have already been a problem. Thankfully, most lightning stays in the clouds. 

[Raindrops]

8 minutes ago, alexisj9 said:

So no ppn, but they say lightning. Sound dangerous concidering how dry we are. Hope I'm misunderstanding things.

I've read three different forecasts and each one is very different, I'm going to go with anything is random for the next 14 hours, even the timings are of but that's nothing new really.

The storm that just recently passed me barely had rain, not enough to put out a fire that's for sure, and 1 CG hit close to me.

Edited July 19, 2022 by Raindrops

[Captain Thunderpants]

Very faint distant thunder rumbling near North Dorset, Sturminster Newton and very oppressive. Going very dark too. Fingers crossed!! 

[Ben Sainsbury]

Quite a lot of lightning strikes given the precipitation rates on the radar, just shows how high the cloud bases are and how much precipitation is evaporating before it hits the ground.

[Raindrops]

2 minutes ago, Ben Sainsbury said:

Quite a lot of lightning strikes given the precipitation rates on the radar, just shows how high the cloud bases are and how much precipitation is evaporating before it hits the ground.

Dry Lightning, the best to view at night and not camera shy.

Edited July 19, 2022 by Raindrops

[R Alto]

Big, very elevated, twisted alto status sky moving in off the channel. Also distant booms of thunder and a CG just now to my West!

[Flash bang flash bang etc]

Anyone else a bit concerned about wildfires if the lightning makes it inland?

[matty40s]

This baby needs keeping an eye on, kink in the front meeting the NW front, could produce a monster.

[BlizzardOfoz]

Rain has arrived but not heavy in nature, soon as it hits land it evaporates quite quickly. Seen one fork lightning strike and on crackle of loud thunder. Still hot with temp at 29c. 

[Captain Thunderpants]

12 minutes ago, Captain Thunderpants said:

Very faint distant thunder rumbling near North Dorset, Sturminster Newton and very oppressive. Going very dark too. Fingers crossed!! 

Weird that there is nothing even remotely close to here on lightning radars. 

[Raindrops]

7 minutes ago, Flash bang flash bang etc said:

Anyone else a bit concerned about wildfires if the lightning makes it inland?

Of course, I woke up this morning to see smog from a wild fire in the Dublin Mts, but I'm not sure if the farmers caused it or the heat.

5 minutes ago, Captain Thunderpants said:

Weird that there is nothing even remotely close to here on lightning radars. 

In cloud or cloud to cloud lightning is hard to pick up

@thunderpants 

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[Mapantz]

Lots of thunder and visible lightning here. I was running around like cut-cat trying to pack up all the tools I've been using over the past 6 weeks. Nightmare!

My lightning detector is offline, so no idea how many strikes it is picking up..

[ChannelThunder]

Extreme amounts of highly robust and deep Castellanus coming in!

[alexisj9]

24 minutes ago, Raindrops said:

I've read three different forecasts and each one is very different, I'm going to go with anything is random for the next 14 hours, even the timings are of but that's nothing new really.

The storm that just recently passed me barely had rain, not enough to put out a fire that's for sure, and 1 CG hit close to me.

Thanks, Shirley near Croydon is already dealing with two wild fires, doesn't sound like this will help.

[Guest]

Some spectacular CG’s coming down from super high bases. 

[Mapantz]

Feels rather strange seeing this rain. Feeling extremely tropical.

[Ben Sainsbury]

1 minute ago, Alderc said:

Some spectacular CG’s coming down from super high bases. 

Gonna pose a problem then as they move inland.

[Guest]

Just now, Ben Sainsbury said:

Gonna pose a problem then as they move inland.

Looks like quite a bit of rain is reaching the ground. 

[Ben Sainsbury]

1 minute ago, Alderc said:

Looks like quite a bit of rain is reaching the ground. 

Well that's good news at least!

[ChannelThunder]

Castles in the sky 

[mike5900]

Trying  to rain thunder getting  louder.