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Click on the '5 day forecast' blue writing at the top right of that page. Apparently it's going to be the mid-teens celsius this afternoon across the UK. Brilliant -you couldn't make it up! Mind you this is the newspaper that is always holier than though on all matters, but is owned by some of the biggest tax avoidance merchants on this planet.

Or if you don't read French and prefer the same charts, plus many more with much greater detail for the UK and in English - you can find them on the right hand side here: http://www.netweathe...type=home;sess=

Tomorrow (Monday) afternoon and overnight is the first main action - a cold front over the country moving south.

lol well sure enough that meto warning has put a dampner on it - showers fading now.

No sign yet of showers off the North Sea dieing away as forecast - few more lined up for landfall yet

Great photo lorenzo - that looks tricky!

I fear EDB may indeed only get the edge LS. But the last two bands of showers have become invigorated when passing through the Forth filling the gaps. We shall see!!

There's a truly big dollop of snow coming for Lothian and Fife in the next hour. 850s now between -10 and -11ºC... Turn up that central heating!

The Firth of Forth appears to be generating 'lake effect snow'

Amazing eh. My pal in Bathgate says it's like Lapland. Hope it was a fun run out!

Probably wrong on both counts Duncan:

I think for the next couple of days John (at least) it's going to be cold enough to snow anywhere. In the easterly flow upper temps are now cold enough to snow at the coast, and tomorrow night when the uppers are progged to rise a little (say to -7ºC)* the wind swings more northerly so the influence of the wind off the warmer sea is gone. All good *that's a sentence I don't think I've written before!

Snow here this afternoon, after snow yesterday. Might as well continue in the new year as the old one ended!

Well I think we have concensus - something to remember for future outbreaks Just to say Ian - there was much lying snow in Lancaster on passing on the train last night Back to today, and there's no such worries about anything other than snow. -10 to -12ºC 850s are approaching

Aye Pete - and -4ºC is the point at which it seems to snow from other directions if there's already snow on the ground to cool the surface. -5ºC remains the benchmark with no snow on the ground from any direction without an easterly component.

Heavy sleet and sleety snow all morning here in the city centre. Temps rose to 2/1ºC earlier. Now dropped back to 1/0ºC and the nw radar suggests that the uppers have dropped to -8ºC and now it is very heavy snow settling on all surfaces. I think I've enough evidence now to cement the suggestion that it only snows at sea level from a strong easterly here when uppers go down below -8ºC. This is the fourth time now in a the last few years and each time it's held true. That bloody north sea is a curse for its warmth, but a blessing to generate the snow!!

Aye by-tor, something is developing over the Firth of Forth for sure. Snowing here now.

Well with the BBC on board this time, it's probably completely jinxed now, or it'll be sleet

For reference/comparison for those of us in the central belt - here's the 6 inch whopper from 10 days ago:

As you say LS - it's the second band that's progged to work its way over the country. Here's the netweather mesoscale model (NMM) for 9am: Here's hoping this is a repeat of a week last Wednesday am which the NMM forecast so well

A subtle reminder that the topic of this thread is in its title. Please stick to that thank you

For anyone following us in the (still) frozen north (5th ice day here today in the last 11), you may have popped into the Scottish cold spell discussion and taken notice of the spectacular wins net weather's own model, that runs twice a day has scored - even against the big boys and the Meto/BBC forecasts... In that spirit - here's the snow risk/snow level chart for 17h00 tomorrow from the netweather mesoscale model (NMM) 12Z run: Note where the clear snow line is and how anything north of that has a good chance above 200ms of seeing lying snow

In my experience in Edinburgh with easterlies, you need -7ºC uppers for anything white to fall from the sky and to stick.

Well a gale off a sea that's at 7 or 8ºC it seems plausible that the coast will be quite a bit above freezing?

This cold spell has certainly put the holy grail of a sub 3ºC CET into some perspective for me - indicating just what is required to get it down there... We are now at day 11 of lying snow here in central Edinburgh, and it's only been the last 3 days that has seen anything but snow falling from the sky - with sleet. And this has included 4 ice days. That makes for a cold spell Edinburgh average temp of 11 days at -2.54ºC, yet the month of December is still at 3.19ºC.