R.P. McMurphy

White cold christmas anyone?

Indeedy Gav, that will feel quite warm from recent days, potential for double figures there, albeit we'll into FI and to be taken with a pinch of salt, but might require people to dust off the old Mower if it carries on !!

For all the newbies out there and all this talk of a potential Scandi High, this is a brilliant and in depth read which I would urge you to take in and gain some knowledge of just what the perfect & right Scandinavian High can do.... But at the same time, it can bring benign weather, if it's cold your after... Hope NW don't mind me posting this, but it's too good of a read and some great valuable information for newbies: http://www.ukweatherworld.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/49473-the-severe-winter-1890-91-a-special-report/

In regards to every chart you posted, it's all going to feel cold lol.

Yup, I also tend to ignore and just skip past as his forecasts are far too biased without coming across so much as to hide it, but his latest forecast was extremely misleading, and basically it says what he wants to hear. So when we actually uses the S word, it must be coming !!

Haha, Sorry Joe it was a tongue in cheek remark :-P

Yes, HP back in charge for a couple of days before moving on again...

Fantasic charts Steve if it's cold you want & lots of snow. Distruption a sure thing in Scotland to say the least, Would buy into any Polar Lows at this stage, we know they are usually anything from 0-24 hours in predicting.

ECM is a stormer for cold lovers...If this is shown come Monday/Tuesday.... = Happy Days.

If you read my post, it was to show a reload from the NW after some cold HP moves over? Can't show that on the GEM as it only goes out to T240.

Yes, Paul posted earlier that if you hover over them it will tell you what they are. Good idea really for new members who are learning. Anyways, to the Models and its looking great for our area, with zero mild weather in sight too, which is always a bonus.

Ah...Apoligies, Just noticed you put up the GEM... Allow me...

Where is the rest? Where it shows a full reload and any "warmer" (If you can call it that) air is removed and an attack from the NW resumes....

The fact remains there isnt a single person on this forum who can be 100% sure and say the GFS is wrong, or the ECM is wrong etc.... Unless we are actually living in the Matrix and NetWeather has been infiltrated by Agent Smiths (A Boy Named Sue) who can 'jack in' to the Models.

But this is the model thread, and we can only report on what the models show? Unless it's mild of course, then it's set in stone and isnt classed as Fi, right?

Pub run is great... Albeit we have been here before, many, many times! Caution is the key. PS - where have all the Mildies gone? Hehe

Ian, What is the proof of this? Not discrediting your above statement, but I have never seen the data to prove it. The bottom line is, there is no mild weather shown on any of the charts for anytime soon, so it's confusing to other members to see this debate going on, all the way out to T384.

It's showing a very decent spell for next week, and this has been progged for quite some time now, with pretty much all models agreeing. I do think though that if the charts were showing milder weather next week, it would be a "set in stone" thing and "will" happen, but when it's cold and snow, it's "FI" and "unreliable". We can only report on what the actual models show, and not what we would like them to show, whether this be cold or mild or somewhere in between! FI is FI, and it is unreliable as there is not a model out there that can predict the weather with 100% accuracy, but my point above still stands.

The cold is coming.... Wrap up guys !

Gibby, I have to go off some form of data, or no argument exists. The fact remains the charts show cold all the way, no sign of mild anywhere.... P.S - I believe you also supplied charts well into FI, which are unreliable, but hey ho... Each to their own P.P.S: From Ian Fergie, whom I would say is more use than a chocolate fireguard! an Fergusson â€@fergieweather13m Colder spell expected later next week may last somewhat longer than initially suspected but longevity & influence to S UK very uncertain. looks like met are more confident now of a more prolonged cold-spell,for most of the country

Morning Gibby, It still remains cold, the HP isn't exactly a scorcher either, perhaps the far SW possibly touching double figures, while everyone else remains in single digits and cold frosty mornings. 850's -10C.

You were saying!??!?!

Morning Legritter, Yup, some stunning charts to feast our eyes upon this morning & last night. **IF** the charts come off as they are now for 4/5th December, it would be something quite special for some areas. Albeit, I would prefer something more sustained in terms of cold, but a short cold blast of snow & ice is sure to wet the appetite of some members! 528 Covering the majority of the UK, with a nice brisk NW Flow, heavy risk of snow showers.

Usually the latest data. I'm up there this week to take the dog to Teggs Nose. Can you PM me if you live near there and let me know the conditions please?

Hi Ribster, Fully agree. I think what some members forget is we can all see the charts, and see what they are currently showing. With no bias to anything as I don't really care either way (but would prefer cold and snow as that's what Winter is for!) the models to me appear to show: Cold Monday/Tuesday with Ice, Dry for most.Remaining cold Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, with perhaps a little rainSaturday to next Wednesday shows a brief warm up from current temps, with perhaps some places reaching double figures, 10-12C in the far south, still feeling chilly with cloud and sunny intervals, remaining pretty much dry for most.Thursday to Monday shows a big change with colder temperatures arriving, light snow for some, and perhaps heavy snow Saturday/Sunday. Temperatures minimum around -6C with daytime temperatures struggling to get above 0C especially in Northern regions.Monday onwards appears to carry on the theme.Edited.