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35.1c Heathrow...chuckle (no surprise)
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1 hour ago, summer blizzard said:
This spell reminds me a bit of late July 2016, an otherwise poor summer which saw a 2 week hot spell.
'poor summer' !?!...well might have been further north but here in the south, south/east there hasn't been a 'poor' summer since the Olympic summer of 2012, just the more unsettled month...
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24 minutes ago, Thundershine said:
Found some cheap flights to Amsterdam from Doncaster Sheffield Airport, wondering if I might go "heat chasing" on the continent next week. But then I realise I would have to find somewhere to stay, which would be expensive, so thought against it. Real shame though, would be nice to experience some real heat.
In South Yorkshire it looks like a very ordinary warm blip/spell with temps up to 25 degrees so nothing unusual and nowhere near as above average as the cold crap last week was below average (high of 10 here).
Just wait and see...you might be pleasantly surprised, never over read models or people on that thread.
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Well if you're further north the topographical effects would be a case but less so near Doncaster/South Yorkshire...but the United Kingdom map does prove to a warming climate and as you say not as much difference as you'd think between South Yorkshire and the south east for the maximum averages in June - not sure you can base readings alone on that map though.
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24 minutes ago, Thundershine said:
No it really isn't though. UK warm spells don't have particularly high dew points. Try dewpoints 20+°C if you want to talk about humidity, almost unheard of in the UK even in warm spells. Europe outdoes us for higher dewpoints in the hot weather they get, even Sweden had dewpoints of 23°C last week, which is about higher than anywhere in the UK has ever recorded.
Looking through last summer's warmest days shows relative humidity average values lower than 50% in the UK (and this is compared to the mean temperature, not the max), which is dewpoints no higher than 11-12°C - not close to humidity when you think that places in the Midwest USA, and parts of Europe get dewpoints into the mid-20's.
I thought you'd mention last summer which for most of May, June and first half of July was true...but undoubtedly our dew points do rise as the summer wears on, as the Atlantic heats up. For most of last summer we had continental influenced conditions that doesn't always happen.
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23 minutes ago, Thundershine said:
Here in SouthYorkshire the average high is 2.2°C below average this month so far and I don't think next week's weather will compensate, though it would be nice if it did. Currently a 4 degrees below average 16°C today which is another dent in the average max of this month.
Since when has Yorkshire in mid-June had average maxes at 20c?...that's what I expect here in Essex currently.
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Yes but we still have 11 more days for those St James Park figures to run (as compiled by weatheronline) which are statistically warmer than the start of June so by months end we won't be more than 1c below normal...
Not disagreeing about how poor June is so far but I do think there's not so much of a case as regards temperatures in this part of the world, Alemans post above sort of sums it up really.
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25 minutes ago, Aleman said:
Don't assume we all have the same weather in the UK. Parts of East Anglia are running warm in June. London is not much into the cool side. Coldest areas are Scotland, Ireland and Dorset.
http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_europe_t2m_week_anom.png
Then there is your individual location and habits. My high-hedged south-facing south-sloping garden gets 2-3C above some other local areas on sunny summer days. (Didn't know when we bought the house. We got lucky!) In this grey weather, it is running more in line with local temps that have been about 0.5C below normal so my max temps are sometimes running 2.5-3.5C down in the middle of grey days, and 24 hour averages are maybe pushing 1C down overall. As greyness has made the house a lot cooler and I do most of my gardening jobs in the middle of the day, June feels very cold to me, even though it is only modestly down overall in reality.
True...and that's the point it's what we have become use to, particularly in the south and east. Fact is we rarely get a cold summer CET month of 'modern' times and when we get a cold spell/snap as per last week on top of the last couple of months average temps it does tip a few over the edge.
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1 hour ago, stainesbloke said:
We certainly do! Weeks of cold rain are no fun. Potential heat and violent thunderstorms are much more exciting. Fingers crossed that happens, won’t last long, whatever happens and hopefully the subsequent weather pattern is more settled/sunny.
Heat which usually is accompanied by humidity in this country isn't fun if you suffer with breathing problems/asthma...
St James Park, London is averaging so far to the 19th - 19.75c max average, so considering 21c is the max average for London and June I'd say probably running fractionally below average (Don't forget the month started very warm).
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2 hours ago, CreweCold said:
I'll quite happily take a few days of 30+ temps if I get to see a good old fashioned thundery spell. A price well worth paying.
Last year bored the absolute t*ts off me.
Totally agree!...synoptically it was really dull to watch for a few months but great if you like dry, sunny and very warm conditions.
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2 hours ago, SunnyDazee said:
Maybe the fact you’re so near London is swaying your opinion? It’s been dreadful up north
No I was referring to the south east in my post not areas further north or even central parts...
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1 hour ago, Sunny76 said:
It has been dreadful and cold for even the London and south east region. June has been one of the poorest summer months for a long time.
No it hasn't been 'cold' bar a few days last week in the rain with temps varying from 12 - 14c, for most of the 19 days of this month so far temps have either been just below or near average here (and I'm just north east of London)...too many people getting carried away with recent summers expected high maxes.
1 hour ago, Sunny76 said:Maybe a very cold winter to follow isn’t out of the question. I’m calling winter 19/20 as being the coldest since 2012/13.
Well that's no great shakes considering since then they've all been varying from close to normal to very mild...
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2 minutes ago, DonnaThw said:
It’s raining here again but it is incredibly humid around 91% at the moment it’s very humid in the house.
Because we live right on the SE coast we could see the storm advancing for hours. My husband said it’s some of the worst Thunder and lightning he has ever seen.
We just missed out but the storms were to the east in the North Sea, but there were continuous lightning flashes and cloud to cloud bolts, 10th June 1994 was an absolute belter in the evening for storms which were more widespread and moved south to north.
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28 minutes ago, stainesbloke said:
It’s been horrible for most of June, what are you on about?
Temperature wise, I'm not talking what's falling from the sky, I bet the Met Office temp profile map for June comes out near normal for the SE at months end. Heat up next week now on the cards.
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21 hours ago, Azazel said:
I don't think 20 degrees, dry and some sunshine is way too high of an exception for June.
9 degrees, endless grey skies and lashings of rain is something I would associate with November-March.
9 degrees now!!...blimey you're temperatures are getting even colder, can't help feeling you're over exaggerating.
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3 hours ago, stainesbloke said:
Possibly a bit too warm, even for me next week. But I have to say how amazingly wonderful June has been in Prague, so far. Loads of warm sunshine and several bouts of impressive thunderstorms that dumped a fair amount of rain, each time. There’s just no comparison to the misery that June has been in the UK, so cold and wet there.
Well it hasn't been cold in the south east but nearer normal...that weather map displayed the other day by Nick Miller (I think) showed that...and even that map I think was a bit OTT in depth of cold for June up to then (for central parts) not just for those few cold very wet days of a week ago.
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Just went to the east of me on the Essex coast but didn't stop me seeing continuous lightening and cloud to cloud bolts, some moderate rain but as said all the heavy stuff went into the North Sea...judging by the models for next week could be an extended round two and certainly hotter!
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Looks pretty thundery as well...quite a bit of humidity.
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I can hear distant thunder here on the Essex coast (north of Southend)...
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Bet I (and others) only experience rain, humidity, a lot of cloud hanging around in the morning and just the briefest rumble of thunder...happens so many times in these situations. I much prefer a Spanish plume and a distinct line of showers moving northwards - June 10th 1994 was spectacular!
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3 hours ago, Joe Watts said:
BBC are reporting 5-6C below average in parts of the UK so far this June, seems to include most of the CET zone! Strange the CET is running less than a degree below average.
Good ol' tropical south east fringes still holding onto average temps,,,maybe some of my posts referring to moaning might have been a bit premature as it does seem like many central areas are having a cold one - you all want to move here where there building houses and concreting everything over in a blink of an eye...
Saying that the above map doesn't really seem to correlate with the hadley CET of just 0.7 below...seems a bit extreme.
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I bet with all this moaning about this month (look at some of the other threads) we still end up close to the CET if not slightly above...as Don mentioned it looks like we're in a bit of a warm up phase now.
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2 hours ago, Azazel said:
I would agree with you, but "slightly below average" is disingenuous. Average high for June is 19 degrees - its struggled to reach 11-12 for days which is nearly 10 degrees below average(not slightly at all) and with that has been the absolutely relentless rain which you have neglected to mention.
Also, when we had the February "heatwave" - coldies were rightfully complaining - did you have a pop at them?
Nobody is overreacting, the weather has been absolute s**t.
Average temps for the first week or so of June in southern and south eastern parts is about 19c so yes we have seen pretty low anomalies recorded...what sort of thermometer do you have?, you say it hasn't got above '11/12' for 'days' but here in the rain and breeze off the North Sea coast here in Essex on Monday we got above that (near 13c).
Some areas have been unfortunate and stuck under consistent cloud/rain and a nagging north easterly but this happens occasionally in summer when low pressure just doesn't move, I remember here in the south east in the last week of May I think in 2015 we had almost a week's worth of dull miserable drizzly cool/cold weather with a light easterly wind as a low remained stationery and gradually filled...it was like a week's worth of late Autumn!
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Well only seemed a week ago BBC weather presenters were saying that parts of the south and south east/east were in need of rain for the gardens (I remember Tomasz mentioning it)...so certainly in these parts have been far from bad, I think recent wet/cold conditions of the last few days coupled with the continuation of 'average' temperatures since April has made some people flip...
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Southeast and East Anglia weather discussion
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Very muggy here on the Essex Riviera...sun trying to come out, 22.5c already