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The thing is though Keith, that line will more than likely take a nose dive shortly. Impressive for now.....

Or drop south....

It's worth studying Ian. I completely agree with that but let's stop turning things into a pantomime. It may be a 'spectacle' but rather than looking forward to the party like has happened in the past, why not discuss it in a way to help people understand without people having to wade through the waffle? It isn't a party and most of us would like to know what is happening without the 'sound bites'. (quote quote quote quote)...............

There's that 'modern' word. Let's not go down that route. There is nowhere on this planet called 'Modern Arctic' and it tends to come round and bite people on the bum when misused. Just thought I'd let you know.....

Discovery Channel will air a special tribute Storm Chasers on Saturday 15th June http://www.discoveryuk.com/the-loop/in-memory-of-storm-chasers-tim-and-paul-samaras-and-carl-young/

Speedy recovery Quentin. Wishing you all the best.

I've actually gone for 3.8 too without reading the thread so I don't think we're too far away with our general thinking. It would be good to see a larger extent but I don't think it's going to be over 4 for a good few years if there is sign of any real recovery because even if the summers are below average regarding temperatures, there is a lot of ground to cover due to sea temperatures. Never say never though......

We're starting to move away from the topic and while some drift is acceptable I think we're drifting into a general rag chew. Please stay with the topic. Ta muchly

I am finding myself agreeing with much of what you're saying here GW. Never say never....

Just come across this article about the EF4 in Bennington, Kansas. Apparently it just sat there.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/05/30/how-a-violent-tornado-stood-still-bennington-kansas/

I'm stunned. My sympathies to the families of Tim and Paul Samaras and Carl Young. I think that being researchers in the science behind tornadoes and the storms that drive them makes this kind of loss a very real possibility. It is now, unfortunately, a very real reality. I've followed Tim's work for a few years and I'm sure this research he did will save countless lives in the future. Very sad news though.

This thread is for people who believe that climate change is not man made. Please read Paul's opening post. This does not affect the rest of the threads in this part of the forum..... This is for like minded people to discuss other than man made climate change without any input from the people who do believe that climate change is man made. It is that simple that even primary school kids can follow that instruction.

This thread is for people who believe that climate change is man made. Please read Paul's opening post. This does not affect the rest of the threads in this part of the forum..... This is for like minded people to discuss man made climate change without any input from the people who do not believe that climate change is man made. It is that simple that even primary school kids can follow that instruction.

And where exactly does anything say anywhere that the condition of the ice is definitely down to AGW? By repeatedly saying it is over and over and over doesn't make it true. *Stands back and waits for the soap box to make an appearance*

Many thanks for the replies. As BFTV said over in the Arctic ice thread, at the minute it's been an uneventful season. I'd like to add there seems to be a bit of 'normality' at the moment with cold locked up where it should be and snow on the Alps. As always, time will tell....

I would have thought that the heatwave was more down to 'weather' and not 'climate' GW. Admittedly there has been dwindling snow accumulations for a few decades but I wouldn't have thought this was unusual over long time-scales. Wasn't there a man that had been buried in the snow for a few hundred years up a mountain in the Alps? Wasn't the thinking something about sudden onset of cold temperatures catching him out and perished up there? Perhaps I dreamt it? Any idea to what I'm waffling on about carinthian? Nice to see you posting in this section again btw

Not sure if anyone has seen the 3Dnator extension for chrome or firefox ? I've been looking at some of the stills and it works remarkably well from just a 2D image. Just open the images as if you were going to save them and then right click. It's a red/cyan anaglyph so silly glasses required but you get the sense of depth needed to grasp the size of things. Rather sobering when looking at tornado tracks, more so than 2D. Available in the google store for free...

And then they say it's not about money? http://www.carbonwarroom.com/ I agree with the ideas but wouldn't it be better if they did this kind of thing regardless of climate change? This site is from a guy who likes to pump hydrocarbon exhaust fumes directly into the higher reaches of the atmosphere. He has also increased this by adding more flights throughout the US. Sorry Richard but I've no interest in hypocrites.

Or how over-stated or under-stated it may be......

Thanks to Sparkicle and BFTV for explaining the CO2 temperature problem in a way that puts most climate sites to shame. Many thanks guys.

If it was so much of a problem, governments world wide would be falling over each other, with money no real object, to replant huge areas of damaged rainforest....... and other areas.... Wouldn't they?Wouldn't they...?!?

Another couple of links. El Nino - http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/tao/elnino/el-nino-story.html La Nina - http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/tao/elnino/la-nina-story.html There is also some very good information in Netweather's learner's area/guides. http://forum.netweather.tv/forum/24-learning-about-weather-and-meteorology/

I think the link sort of answers my question. I was wondering if some molecules absorb similar wavelengths and how do they differentiate between them?

Makes you wonder how the sensors function properly at all..... I know, I know... Different molecules reflect/absorb different wavelengths and the whole IR spectrum is huge when looked at in detail. It's interesting stuff but with everything absorbing it's own frequency 'bandwidth', how do they know what they are seeing/missing? Is there a chart somewhere with the wavelengths for absorption? My original comment was in jest but it's a good thing to learn about.....

That'll be the CO2 absorbing the infrared, as it does...........