alexisj9

Lol, I just can't sleep, not even got my curtains open. Knowing my luck, I'll get up in the morning and somehow there'll be a covering, I could have watched falling.

It wasn't swept away easily though, the cold stayed in place even while the uppers warmed, hence the freezing rainany got. It warmed after that though, but what happened to the real cold in the north east, scandi, not much yet, also part of the UK are still cold, and temps in many places are not cold enough for snow granted, but still chilly, and likely to stay that way till Friday.

That moved East a bit right, if this one does that, it would be perfect.

Problem is, we can't just sit back a relax just cause of China, who may we'll have a rethink soon anyway. They've had quite a few weather disasters of various types recently, they'll know they are not immune by now.

It damaging to nature, I had a spring plant start growing in September, started flowing in late November, didn't get time to see what it would actually look like fully flowered, the winter cold over the week end killed it.

Let's hope so.

I'll try August/September 1906

Plus what caused the same phenomena last year, before the eruption

Hmm I. That case probably rare for Dover, I've had covering two times in one year, Saturday this December, had o e last December too but later. I'm talking between seasons, there can be more than one snowfall a year here, quite often transient.

Lol, where as here, its taken all this rain to recover from the year before. Water table is high now, it was low for most of the year. Not talking about the whole country, ps I didn't start the dry thread, but it was right about here. All of them are used every year.

You do realise you've said exactly the same as me, with different words, right. Not sure there's a disagreement, just a misunderstanding. Re cold in the east this year, it is I think down to a circulation change, slowing of the gulf stream, allowing a fast re freeze away from the north Atlantic, due to less mixing of warm water in the artic region. Re the rest of my first post, all year we've had heat domes build, and lows hanging about causing both heat and cold records to be broken, more or less simultaneously, in different areas evidence for this is in you global records thread, plus flooding or extreme rainfall totals where troughs get stuck. Big question is though, is that down to change in ocean state, that happened this year re Pacific. Not sure it is, as the year before this had similar stuck patterns, just perhaps slightly different places.

We'll this happened last year, December cold spell in about 20mins, during a very heavy shower that was mostly sleet. Even though it got rained on all day during London's pasting the next day, bits of it survived the week.

You misunderstand me I think, both extremes are proof of climate change, and the planet is far warmer than it was even just 20 years ago, we are doing this. Everything is connected. The gulf stream slowing down is due to changes in our atmosphere, warmer Atlantic doesn't cause the same effects a colder one did.

Not really on about global scale, just basically the quick refreeze in the artic, and the cold in the east, the are very much connected.

Extreme cold doesn't disprove climate change, it is a symptom of it. Records will drop both ways, as they have been all year. More to do with slow momentum, and stuck systems, flooding will also increase for the same reason. For answers to the cold look north, factor in the slow gulf stream. Some say the wrong places are colder looking at it that way. However warm water is still heading up, just at a slower rate, so the normal mixing of the whole area would be different. So quick freezes away from where the golf stream is, would be expected.

At least we got some snow out of this spell, not everyone down south did. Considering the time of year, it was a nice surprise, really thought anything from the north sea would be rain.

Won't argue with that, annoying isn't it.

You left out 850 temps sub zero, they went positive Infront of the front, which is why it rained.

The are on about the entrenched cold in the scandi area, which will help us, stay on the colder side of things with any east north east winds. At the minute that does look like holding, along with our cold midland northwards for now, with perhaps transient stuff further south as lows move east.

The person that dropped me home, lives in Folkestone, he text me to let me know he got home safe, guess this was why. He knows I'm a weather geek and would have known about the freezing rain

Freezing rain last night just after I got in, normal rain every now and then since.

Ice rain all over the SE corner last night. With those first showers.

It was fog, and it was in a high, classic winter weather, freezing fog, temps below freezing

Nah definitely not warm enough for that.

Not sure about that we had landing snow last night, shame it didn't last though