scotland Scotland Regional Discussion 10/03/13 09z ------>

[Buriedundersnow]

In a similar vein, did you see the Piers Corbyn piece from 2 days ago "The mini-ice age is upon us" http://bit.ly/YwPTBH

I don't take him too seriously to be honest ... but a little bit of me thinks he just might be onto something.

mini ice age might be what is on the cards like i said before just putin glaciers back on the mountains like they should be theres no chance in hell of a full ice age we just arent anywhere near that in our cycle but there has to be other options to cool things off than that so he might not be far off

i think of it in the way they say at a point we were a ball of ice then the planet brought us back through volcanic activity well there has to be something in the planets back pocket to do the opposite aswell if it can heat a planet from cold it can cool a planet from hot and we have pushed it to that brink

i know people will say during this or that there was no ice on the planet but land position was different all that time ago and the way the land is set now is condusive to the climate we have now and it is a hot to cold and back climate and has to swing back to cold without help of an iceage scenario at times.

Edited March 17, 2013 by Buriedundersnow

[Buriedundersnow]

NAE 12z at 42h is a slight downgrade on snow we will be seeing but an upgrade on what is in the atlantic so basically prob same amounts just different times it will come in

[Buriedundersnow]

NAE 0z at 48h showing lots of fun coming in.

looking like a real possibility of disruptive snow on its way.

[Northernlights]

Interesting article in today's (Sunday) paper:

Britain's farming crisis: 'People don't realise how tough everything is' Crippling costs, bad weather and disease have hit the countryside hard – and left the future of British food in jeopardy, say the farmers fighting for survival:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/mar/16/britain-farming-crisis-how-tough

As well as this one which even makes the front page: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/mar/16/uk-farmers-face-disaster

Thanks for the link applemint Very interesting!

[Guest]

I'm starting to get a big bit nervous about the potential snow, everything crossed that it does happen

ECM and GFS both seem to have a slightly warmer sector moving through, but I'll take LSS's advice and not worry about it

Edited March 17, 2013 by CatchMyDrift

[JoeShmoe]

Looks like snow/sleet moving in from NE England in the next few hours

[Guest]

Looks like snow/sleet moving in from NE England in the next few hours

It's rain here at the moment Joe, but might turn to snow if it gets heavy enough

[doctormog]

I'd have thought it might be more of a mix of rain , sleet and hill snow Joe until later tomorrow when the "proper" wintry stuff kicks in?

[Guest]

I'd have thought it might be more of a mix of rain , sleet and hill snow Joe until later tomorrow when the "proper" wintry stuff kicks in?

It's now trying to snow here; very wet snow but it is trying its wee best :lol:

[doctormog]

It's now trying to snow here; very wet snow but it is trying its wee best :lol:

Good stuff. Just you keep encouraging it and speaking to it nicely and see what it can do.

(Looks like being on and off drizzle here for the foreseeable- nothing wintry)

[Blizzardo]

Snow risk increasing as we go through today into tomorrow - snow only on high ground throughout much of today. Then on Tuesday, as the flabby low sitting over us, sinks south east the door is opened to colder air that will cover all of Scotland with the prospect of snow showers for many, particulary the east of the country.

This cold will dig in for the next 3 days with some really low temperatures in some parts.

As we move into the end of the week we have what looks like a classic battleground set up with low pressure and milder conditions clashing with our entreched cold.

We have a really interesting week of weather coming up.

[lorenzo]

The snow projections on NAE for today do look a little bullish, the 950hpa temps during today hint at more cold slushy sleet. Still that can change.

This loop however whets the appetite for tomorrow, have a look at the 850s steaming out of Scandi, even manage a -15 over there. Cold source for the next hit of uppers.

Impressive ppn totals for Monday and a proper pasting during the day for the east of the country.

This westward movement of cold uppers just the start and continuing out to 72 hrs on UKMO.

Here is the 5 day averaged mean from the ECM highlighting that the forthcoming week will feel raw.

Then out at 120 we grow our own cold,these the 850 anomaly, as the cold spillage from the continent continues.

12z will be good today again to see what plays out after the near range, with ECM on this morning 00z hinting at SWrly regime attempting to influence by 240hrs, this being stopped in it's tracks as we remain under the flat cold troughing stretched across from the mid Atlantic, again a somewhat definitive North South divide.

With those totals right over the ranges then it's brilliant for the Winter sports season, another dumping like projected will really consolidate cover up there.

[ploughboy]

just been catching up on our prospects for the coming days by reading the posts since yesterday

I know we have a 'like this' option but I would like to say thanks to all for showing such dedication in posting charts, and the excellent interpretation and analysis that accompany them - this thread is on fire

light rain here just now, peppered with the odd wet snowflake..

[Cheggers]

Pishy wet and very grey. Roll on tomorrow evening.

[shuggee]

What he said.

[Benvironment]

Really cold here today. 1.8C and raining. There's still a little bit of snow here and there but most of it has been washed away now.

It was interesting yesterday, driving about, just how quickly conditions changed around here. A nice pasting here but no snow in Falkland. Very little at Crook of Devon but plenty up in Glendevon as usual. The Gleneagles road was a bit dicey about ten minutes on from where I took this photo. There'd been an accident which I think closed the road.

[Benvironment]

Strike that. Just ten minutes later the rain is now snow and it's 1.4C.

[Ross B]

Lost a lot of snow cover overnight and this morning but its now snowing again!

[Buriedundersnow]

NASA has a great cold pool coming in at 120h on the 0z

[Blizzardo]

New Met Office warning issued for much of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Northern England.

Issued at - 17 Mar 2013, 12:51

Valid from - 19 Mar 2013, 00:05

Valid to - 19 Mar 2013, 23:59

During Tuesday an area of sleet and snow over Scotland will move south into parts of Northern England and Northern Ireland. Snowfall will be heaviest over hills, where 5 to 10 cm of snow seems likely and with around 15 cm or more across some upland areas. At lower levels accumulations will generally be less than 5 cm and east coastal areas are likely to see little lying snow. However over many upland areas, the snow will drift in the strong easterly winds, (gusting to 40 to 50 mph quite widely), bringing significant drifting over many hill routes. Icy stretches will add to the hazardous conditions. Conditions should start to ease from the north through the day, although the speed of this improvement is unclear.

The public should be aware that some disruption to travel may well develop, and depending on subsequent information, this warning may be upgraded to Amber across parts of the region.

[BleakMidwinter]

Just so long as the East Coast mainline trains are sorted by Thursday... I'm having enough hassle with people insisting on being utterly illogical, without transport suitcasing up as well...

Grey, grim and dreich and dripping here. Suits my bad tempered mood

[Buriedundersnow]

well the bbc24 forecast just now showed snow overnight on monday then shows snow for aberdeen and glasgow on tuesday which i assume will be country wide then and it was still showing snow for aberdeen on wednesday

[LomondSnowstorm]

Critical thing really is whether the -8C line is pushed north of the Forth on Monday evening or not. NMM 00Z said not, 6Z said yes, both NAE's said not, ECM was touch and go. If we can avoid that then the marginality will not be much of an issue. This is what we want ideally:

[Cheggers]

Rain now readily turning to SNAWWWWW.

[lorenzo]

Interesting that the meto update begins just after midnight... Just as the snow begins to move south.. hmmmph.