Yorkshire and E England regional discussion

[cheese]

28 minutes ago, bazookabob said:

Why on earth did the met Office expand that ice warning right over the whole of Yorkshire? The showers all stuck to where the original warning was, getting no further than about Bradford before fizzing! 

Isn’t it for the frontal system arriving tomorrow?

[Empire Of Snow]

18 minutes ago, Winter Cold said:

Forecast still showing snow at first tomorrow but if it's rain now then how can it be snow tomorrow. Milder air already arriving by the looks of it. Well above freezing temps and dew points already now 

Different system tomorrow. Temps will drop again after midnight tonight. 

[Winter Cold]

48 minutes ago, Empire Of Snow said:

Different system tomorrow. Temps will drop again after midnight tonight. 

Here's hoping for one last hurrah

[bazookabob]

1 hour ago, cheese said:

Isn’t it for the frontal system arriving tomorrow?

They updated this morning's warning for the showers, originally it was for the pennines only but expanded it right to the east coast. It expired at 12pm

[Winter Cold]

Chucking it down now it's too warm to snow. More organised now on radar. Typical!

[The PIT]

The joys of an occluded front. Snowing at the cat and fiddle which shows how high you need to go.

[Cheese Rice]

I'm not seeing anything for tomorrow however the localized Meto forecast looks pretty good. 

Hard to believe we are going to see 4 hours of snow at times heavy. 

Edited December 17, 2022 by Cheese Rice

[Tim A]

6 minutes ago, Cheese Rice said:

I'm not seeing anything for tomorrow however the localized Meto forecast looks pretty good. 

Hard to believe we are going to see 4 hours of snow at times heavy. 

Unless the Met Office app has been upgraded in the last few years it shows freezing rain as snow. Dec 18 we had a warning for freezing rain, heavy snow symbols on the app and we got freezing rain.

Other problem , yet to see any of the short range models showing anything more than really fragmented and weak precipitation tomorrow .

[Craigers]

HOLY GM

[Cheese Rice]

Hmmm it's upgrade to several hours of Heavy snow. 

[The PIT]

Yes tomorrow is tricky could be one of those horrible ice fests that we rarely have.  The things against it is that rain could be light and the timing being after midday and afterwards here so the temps could be high enough to prevent freezing rain by then. Tonight's rain could well cause a major ice issue tomorrow morning washing away and grit on the road and making pavements icy as well.

Dec 18 was a bit of a chicken up forecasting wise as they pushed for Snow mainly and carried on with the snow for high ground through out and I don't think anywhere in England was having Snow, well perhaps a few places in the far north England but that was it. Round here it was strange as the ice wasn't wide spread i.e you would have some ice on the top of a wall but the pavement was simply wet mostly bar the odd spot.

[The PIT]

6 minutes ago, Cheese Rice said:

Hmmm it's upgrade to several hours of Heavy snow. 

Round here the Beeb forecast says a brief spell of sleet then light rain. Met office shows light snow turning sleet then light rain.

The other issue the rain is well behind the cold uppers for South Yorkshire but better of course the further north you go. If it slows down further it could just be plain rain with the air temps to high for freezing rain.

[Cheese Rice]

Tbh it's probably gonna be what is showing for Sheffield but nice to live in hope (delusion). 

[summer blizzard]

4 hours ago, Winter Cold said:

Here's hoping for one last hurrah

Regarding your prior question the feature bringing the front today formed a surface high to the south east and turned the winds SW bringing higher dew points. To the north of our feature is polar maritime sourced air. Our front tomorrow draws a surface south Easterly so actually has a better undercut even if the weight of the system then pushes through.

 

[Cheese Rice]

There's definitely chance coming up to Christmas for somewhere in the North of England northwards to see a significant spell of snow. So while Sunday is looking like a dud there's more chances. 

[Winter Cold]

34 minutes ago, summer blizzard said:

Regarding your prior question the feature bringing the front today formed a surface high to the south east and turned the winds SW bringing higher dew points. To the north of our feature is polar maritime sourced air. Our front tomorrow draws a surface south Easterly so actually has a better undercut even if the weight of the system then pushes through.

 

Ah got you, thanks for that SB . Interesting, appreciate the explanation! 

 

[Craigers]

18 minutes ago, Cheese Rice said:

There's definitely chance coming up to Christmas for somewhere in the North of England northwards to see a significant spell of snow. So while Sunday is looking like a dud there's more chances. 

Thats the GEM chart I posted earlier!

[Cheese Rice]

And look its upgraded again. 

[Adam lufc]

This will be again, i promise you. Yet another huge met office fail! They are simply covering their backs.

There will be no snow, it will be rain. And no freezing rain at that. 3-12cm of snow. OH COME OFF IT. all charts show a patchy band of rain moving through. 

This was meant to be a significant snow event turning to rain. Again what a waste of a cold spell to go out on a dud.

Why that band of rain de-intensifies is sods law. If it were mild, that front would be bringing in heavy rain. 

All believable really isnt it. Weve even just had a rain shower here with still some white frost pockets on the ground. 

[Adam lufc]

Weve had proper snow events here in the last few years with no warnings at all, but at least had the uppers in place. Take it down meto. Its laughable.

[Tim A]

Freezing rain maybe , but no chance of snow after 12, as the 850 temps will be positive, so impossible. So Met Office App is just faulty. 

[Wold Topper]

Man shouts at clouds

Time to chill, the weather will do what ever it pleases and there nowt we, as mere mortals can do about it, 🌨

Edited December 17, 2022 by Wold Topper

[Kasim Awan]

Perfect recepie today for extremely dangerous freezing rain in this area.

[Decemberof2010]

Hi Kasim. Would you say Leeds is at risk of this or more exposed parts?. Thanks 

[Kasim Awan]

7 minutes ago, Decemberof2010 said:

Hi Kasim. Would you say Leeds is at risk of this or more exposed parts?. Thanks 

Definitely the whole of Leeds at risk but moreso country roads and rural areas, freezing rain is so deceiving it can suddenly appear in places that have local cooling effects so very localized.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Kasim Awan