I take note of both the above but yet I remember going back to December when the same conversation errupted on here. Regardless of experience etc in meteorology, its a valid point that sometimes the MET get it wrong and I feel its biased towards england. Thats all I have to say - I rely on accurate weather information with regards to flight planning etc, and I cannot fault the met for this service. Its the wider subject of forecasting to the general public who have little or no interest in these kind of forums, so dont know these issues, but can cause confusion. Points noted though everyone.