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  1. Mr_Pessimistic
    Not long now till the days start getting shorter,,, then winter!! Yippee!! Had enough of summer and it hasn't even started yet! Roll on the next ice age!
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    interesting read relating to what we are both discussing: http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/transit.html
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    yes, i know its not a nice thought, but does anyone that actually beleives in agw actually think that we will be able to stop it? because i think they are living in a dream world if they think we will.. its simply not going to happen, the only answer would be a new technology of some sorts. and untill this happens, and if temps do continue to rise, we will simply have to get used to the fact that we need to adapt to the conditions rather than argue about them.. expecially if they continue to rise and natural forces are actually the drivers..
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    yes, i see youre point, but to get a good average could take thousands of readings? as 73 (i think you said 73) may not be enough, if , say, half of the readings contain big local variations.. but also, as i said, the graph you posted pretty much shows the earth was warmer, has been cooling, and is now starting to warm again, probably as part of a natural cycle. the recent spike imo should be ignored, as previous spikes have been due to lack of detailed data from centuries gone by, if you get what i mean? as im sure the data used to plot the older part of the graph would have contained many spikes showing even warmer/colder periods.. i think people are worring for nothing. and if sea levels are going to rise, this will take many years, plenty of time for people to move away from the coasts etc.. we have to adapt to conditions, we will never be able to change them, simple as that..
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    actually, the graphs i posted are probably not from multiple sources from around the world, but i guess if you were to take an average from the places these graphs were taken from, it would still show the same..
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    Here are a number of graphs from a simple google search: http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/gisp-last-10000-new.png&imgrefurl=http://joannenova.com.au/2010/02/the-big-picture-65-million-years-of-temperature-swings/&h=493&w=829&sz=159&tbnid=SOadANpetBK6qM:&tbnh=87&tbnw=147&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtemperature%2Bgraph%2Bfor%2Bthe%2Blast%2Bmillion%2Byears%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=temperature+graph+for+the+last+million+years&usg=__3L7cvdVt6wqYnBBUaznmxqxfzkc=&docid=UrLd2hoOeD7sWM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hqaDUa_CDYKp0QW85YDoCw&ved=0CCwQ9QEwAA Also, the graph you posted does not show any 'spikes' that would have been shown if modern technology was around years ago. It only shows a recent spike, and to me, that is a bit missleading..
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    Hi, again, we are talking about only the last couple of thousand years, just a tiny time in the earths history.. if the cooling pattern stated was the result of natural things such as volcanic activity (as stated)etc, then this has to end at some point and a rebound effect may well be likely, hence the rise from the 70s -2000s, of which that rebound affect is now settling down. But a rise in just the last 30 years or so, a worry to us or caused by us? I highly doubt it myself. I'm sure if one looks further back in time there have been many times in the past wjere the earth has been cooling on average for a while, only for that cooling to stop and the temperature to rise relatively quickly or slowly as the case may be, but for this time to be any different?, I would be v supprised if that were the case..
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    Hi, thanks for the graph, but, aside from the fact that that graph is only based on the last 10000 years, and not millions etc, the thing is, I've just had another google, and have found about 5 graphs all showing different data, soo.. which do we believe?? Its almost like the data produced seems to be based on which side of the fence you sit (I'm sure those that do the research will strongly dissagree with that though).. If you get two sets of ice cores or the like showing different data, which is right? This seems to be the biggest problem with this arguement, unless I'm wrong and the older data is simply wrong, but the latest data is right? That's untill another study is done with, yet again, conflicting data?
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    To be honest I know nothing about the subject, but if you google "temperature graph for the last million years" And "co2 graph for the last million years", then look at the graphs, they show quite clearly that in many periods over the years it has been much hotter than at present, and much colder. And co2 ppm have been far higher, and far lower than at present. Also the shorter timescale warming seems to have started hundreds of years ago, well before the industrial rev. This maybee too simplistic for many, but, you can't look at recent temp changes and make a decision, you need to look at millions of years timescales. How long have sattalites been around? To me, the info they give is useless as ther is no data from the last 100000 years to compare with. Personally I expect a general natural warming of the planet to continue for a few thousand years until the tipping point where we start to go into the next full ice age. I'm sure many will shhot me down for being ignorant, but, why all this looking at the last hundred years? Look at the bigger timescales, its surely just common sense? Sorry for being slightly off topic..
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    I very much doubt that a doubling of co2 would actually result in a doubling of plant growth. But I thought it was an accepted fact that plants in general prefer lots of co2 as apposed to a o2 rich atmosphere with no co2? I must have been tought wrong at school, they must take in o2 and give out co2.
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    once hydrogen becomes the norm (thats a big if), water being the waste product, and water vapor being the biggest 'trapper' of heat, i can imagine the next concern by the 'green' brigade will not be much different from the current one! the fact is, that the planet will always be here and always recover, it is us that needs to adapt to the conditions, not try to change them. simples.
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    it may well have been discussed already, but doesnt plant life flourish in higher co2 environments? wouldnt this also mean an increase in oxygen given out by the plants? meaning more and larger animals etc? one thing that can be for certain though is,, i can certnainly expect to see constant unfounded hikes in taxes and the formation of many more so called 'green' taxes!
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    I should think that some of those original mobiles would fetch a good price to a collector.. I own an imported samsung captivate glide (with a hardware slide out keyboard - I'm a geek), and I'm betting I'm the only person in the uk to own one of those! - sorry just had to boast.
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    Wasn't saying I dislike them, infact I think they are a superb piece of engineering quite amazing to look at closeup. Lol. I've seen that before, mental.
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    Got two of those popped up recently on the a140 at eye, they're Huge, can see them from my house. Wouldn't like to be standing below one though in a 1987 repeat!
  16. Mr_Pessimistic
    What horrible bright sunny headachy weather, about to enter the worst time of year! Bring back the cloud & roll on next winter!!
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    Might be of interest for someone on here? I think I. Fergie forgot to mention the 'triangle' when reffering to norfolk and suffolk!
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    Absolutly nowt still here, why am I not supprised, so depressing.
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    Dry as a bone here ooooh what a supprise, a constant hole in the ppn as is ALWAYS the case! @#$! I'm fed up with this crap area.
  20. Mr_Pessimistic
    Radar showing heavy ppn here but nowt in reality accept the odd v tiny flake or two, must be evaporating, typical!
  21. Mr_Pessimistic
    I see the usual dry norfolk and suffolk being predicted by the bbc forecast. I think I'm yet to see any snow fall from the sky from a front pushing in from the west in the last 30 years. Why the bbc bother showing snow for this area in such a setup (as they have the last few days as always) I really don't know, you'd think they would have learnt by now that ppn simply doesn't ever reach this far, or splits in to two and goes north and south. And the radars just as bad, you can't believe anything it sais.
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    Took a quick snap on the way to work this morning of a hedge covered in ice from water being splashed on to it by passing cars,, goes on for half a mile like this! Looks lovely, like being in siberia!
  23. Mr_Pessimistic
    Well had about an inch and a half from the original front, then about 2" from streamer last nite, with drifting to 6", so been pretty lucky overall, just a shame I've missed out all of today with a constant streamer a few miles south of me. Stowmarket looks good if anyone is from there?
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    Anyone know if this ppn will make it any further west? http://www.buienradar.nl/
  25. Mr_Pessimistic
    I'm expecting norfolk & suffolk to be in the ususl dry zone between the front and the shower activity, just like 2010 and every other year.. bbc not going for much conective activity at all.
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