sorry if you think im moaning but i thought that was the point of this forum. Yes i am well aware that cold snowy spells are a rarity in this sceptred isle but that still doesn't stop me wanting it to snow. Yes we are only at the start of winter but that means nothing. the same was said last year and we ended up with nothing. I personally don't think it's a good omen for the rest of the winter if we haven't had the first snowfall in southern england by December in my books. Maybe i will be proved wrong in the new year, but with the charts refusing to point to anything solidly wintry then I refuse to get drawn into the 'will it, won't it' debate and just stick my head out of the window when or if it does finally decide to snow.