Gaz1985

I was talking about other runs, never said "the 12z" did I?

Some runs were going for -8 uppers for parts of the UK, for November that's darn cold.

Everything that's bitterly cold or snowy seems to be getting pushed back into FI, that's the only trend I can see this evening.

Moscow, Kiev, Warsaw and Berlin all mainly above average temperatures for the foreseeable

To have a November 2010 was always going to be highly unlikely so I'm not sure why people are disappointed, we cannot expect bitter cold and snow every November. It's more likely to snow in March than November anyway. 6z Manchester ensembles looks like a very brief cold spell, nothing out of the ordinary.

With these long nights my attention draws to images like this if only our climate was like this all year round.

It's Bruce Forsyth with that chin. Apologises mods off topic I know.

That's way out in the unreliable, not likely to happen exactly as shown.

It won't be dramatically different I don't think.

Snow risk for near to here is now reduced from 20% yesterday to 10% today

Strong pressure pushing down on us, and in the medium term not looking good for those wanting bitter cold and lowland snow

News article about the severe hailstorm that hit Manchester today, lots of pictures for those of you who haven't seen them. http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/flooding-after-hail-rain-thunder-6288101

It wasn't snow, it was very heavy hail that looked like it had snowed, even now a few hours later there is still a slight covering on my grass and some on the road and pavement. It was about 2 inches deep covering all surfaces when it first fell, heaviest hailstones for a long while here.

Finally signs of high pressure building less than a week, about time

Heard some New Yorkers complain once on the TV about the short Winter days over there but they should try living as far North as here and Scotland.

You sure? wasn't end of November 2010 a one in 50 year event? can't see anything "familiar" in the build up this November.

Probably about age 12, before then I didn't care what the weather was like, for some reason it just started to interest me from about 12. Teletext and Ceefax was about the best "data" I used, but not too long after I got the internet in the late 90's and began using sites like Wunderground and Weatheronline.

Most notable thing about that is the cold in Eastern USA. Bitter right down to North Carolina.

I wouldn't get too excited with the GFS 12z - it's 2 weeks away... hardly a chance of it verifying.

You are just Oldham really, you shouldn't be "Greater Manchester" to be honest, it was only in the 70's when you became a part of it when it expanded. In fact Saddleworth was at one time Yorkshire aswell as Oldham and Greater Manchester, so you've been 3 things in the past 100 years. Whereas this has always been classed as Manchester as is the Mancunian accent here with the vast majority. Just to the north of here the accent suddenly changes and sounds more like Yorkshire type or Bolton/Blackburn/Rochdale/Oldham or Peter Kay

Eh? I have a Manchester postcode and everything I get in the post says "Manchester" on it

You got the proof? stats? figures? it's one thing to say something but another to prove it.

Manchester has a micro climate too the north and east of the city does far better than the south and west, some parts of the city had no snowfall last Winter, we had multiple measurable events here with some drifts. So you can't just say Manchester does worse than Birmingham beacuse that's generalising

Trust me I've got relatives who lived in both places and they say Yorkshire/Saddleworth is snowier than Derbyshire, again not by a massive amount but at times noticeable. Words like High Peak gives off some sort of vibe to most people - as does the word "Highlands" in Scotland, when in fact some parts of the Highland council area are not all that snowy.

Higher areas will of course do better that isn't rocket science but I reckon areas at the same height in Buxton won't do as well as Saddleworth at the same height mainly due to being further north and with less of wall to the east to stop the snow bands from the north sea, It won't be a huge difference perhaps maybe 4-6 inches more a year on average, but it can also do with the positioning of precipitation bands too. Ask most Yorkshiremen/Saddleworth person and they would laugh if you said Derbyshire does better than them at snow. Also the word "High Peak" gives it this title of an Alpine feel lol I bet if people said something similar about Oldham or Saddleworth it would give off this same Alpine thought, the brain is a powerful thing when it comes down to simple things like words.