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Oooh 53 v 47 % in favour so far of those that dislike it.

I often tend to get the S**ts aswell during hot spells. Thought maybe it was just me lol. Maybe it's down to drinking more water then usual other then that I can't explain it.

Not necessarily giving up on this winter. Just an extra fear it could be poor. For now the seasonal models at least do give hope.

2006,11, 16, 21. All recent very warm Septembers followed by crap winters.

How people in the likes of London stick the heat is beyond me. Especially in heatwaves during the peak of summer. That would be my version of a living hell.

What about this? Dust from the Sahara. Could that possibly peg temperatures back slightly?

The celtic seasons would be close to what you describe. Summer ,may June, July. Autumn, August, September, Oct....and so on. That is what I was thought in school yrs ago.

Thankfull in one way that this spell is happening now rather then summer/ peak summer. Feels like we dodged a bullet in that regard this year.

Thought it was OK overall. July was poor but I'm not mad about heat so at least it was comfortable temperature wise. August was mixed but not too bad overall. Give me a summer like that over a very warm dry one. Comfortable.

Hopefully for the 11th. Can't be taken seriously, but gives a bit of hope for those that don't want the heat.

That's it, get in!! Not that I am taking that chart too seriously given the time frame. (11th) But come on autumn.

Dublin Airport recorded its coldest Oct night only a few yrs ago , think it was in 2020. -2c, nothing spectacular but it isn't far from the coast. Edit 2018. And 2018 was the last time I recorded an air frost in Oct.

Did you not get an air frost in late October 2010? I remember Autumn 92 having quite a number of ground frosts. One of my favourite Autumns. An Autumn that properly felt like Autumn. From memory decent frosts from late September into early winter- late December. Although the winter overall wasn't much to write home about.

Well I hope it doesn't have to be put to the test this yr by the time we reach the end of September. Then we only have to worry about El Niño

But climate change though imo is making the correlation. It may be only 30 yrs but how many decent winters have we had in that time ? Not many compared to the previous 30 yrs.

It seems to correlate with recent yrs much more the winters 30 + yrs ago. I can only put that down to climate change. As regarding 15c cet +that just seems to be the way, can't answer that .

That's back in 1907 though, the point is about more recent Septembers.

92 and 94 ,cases regarding Septembers of getting past the first hurdle not the following ones. September 2015 was cool ,got past the first hurdle. El nino was unfortunately a bigger hurdle down that particular track. September 2021 fell flat on our faces at the first hurdle and what a crap winter 21/22 was.

I agree with you. There are many hurdles to get past on the way to getting a decent winter especially nowadays. I see avoiding a very warm September as the first hurdle these days. Probably a bit early yet to be worrying how warm this September could be. First half doesn't bother me, it's when the warmth extends well into the second half of the month that I worry. Regardless of the warm September = mild winter theory ( for recent times), I don't want a warm September overall anyway ,I want the autumnal feel not an extension of summer well into September.

Haven't had a decent Jan cold spell since the first half of Jan 2010. Ireland missed out on the Jan 2013 spell. Honestly can't remember the last time I've had a decent cold spell during the second half of jan, probably back in the 80s. Since the climate is judged by 30 yr periods its like 2nd half of Jan proper cold spells aren't part of the climate for my location anymore. That's the way I look at it anyway.

If not this winter, re appears next summer then, don't like the heat anyway lol

The only thing to do imo is to take extra co2 out of the atmosphere. That's is what will have to be done. I see no other way .........

So you want to have a yr without much of a summer or winter?

Didn't believe it myself until a few days before it happened lol

If they were told that one day 40c would be recorded in England I'm sure they wouldn't have believed it.