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Lucky! I'm so frustrated at 280m asl in Bingley it's snowing at 1.c. At Leeds Airport its 2.c and rain.

NH = Northern Hemispheric pattern The cold has a better chance of getting entrenched here than the south, which sounds like state the obvious but when the cold is struggling to make it far south we need tap into the -5 850''s for as long as possible.

Of course but the cold air doesn't look to get particularly entrenched in the south so an emphasis on marginal/wet snow if we see a favourable angle of attack. I think if we can get the cold air to really establish itself in the south then it's all to play for, but typically the south struggles in this regard unless it's cold air sourced from the east.

Although I'm disappointed with the NH profile for Yorkshire the 18z is a great run. Alot of snow potential. I Think Leeds/Sheffield should do really well. It is pretty abysmal for the south so thank God we aren't in the Midlands southwards.

Yup! Though the GFS snowfall accumulation charts suggest a North south divide developing. I'd be surprised going by the GFS if there is low level snowfall accumulation in the south. A poor outlook for 50% of the country. Hopefully an improvement in the output tommorow.

Oh dear not what we want to see on tonight's run. It's not looking good but I'll hold out at getting too disappointed till we reach Sundays output as alot can change.

I was about to go to sleep but looked at the radar to see oncoming precipitation and a temp of 2.c Dp 1.c Don't wanna get too excited cos it may well rain like forecast.

Probably because whenever he opens his mouth rubbish come out so he know he just sticks to whatever the script is from the Met Office. And its a running joke on Look North that he's always wrong with the presenters making fun of him and him getting a of complaints if things don't go to plan. I think the best one was the evening of Feb 2nd 2009 when he said there would be 50cm, it was raining across alot of Yorkshire when it was supposed to be all snow and the radar returns were showing 2mm per hour lol. I don't expect nationwide forecasters to get localized variations correct but when all he had to do was step outside or look at the local weather stations to see things weren't going to plan, he strikes me as a bit lazy.

It was a great spell but during the northerly in the second week of December we somehow managed to miss most of the snow which is really unusual. This was Leeds met on the 1st December 2010 so the snow was pretty deep, and this is Headingley Leeds Met, Headingley by Reinhold Behringer, on Flickr Leeds Met, Headingley, James Graham Building by Reinhold Behringer, on Flickr

Some wintry potential Charts for Friday morning above, this is probably the best case scenario, some models push the front further north including the snowfall potential. The EURO4 below isn't that far out yet Snow signal isn't as strong on the EURO4, though high ground could get lucky, BBC weather website showed snow for here so we'll see.

Some wintry potential Charts for Friday morning above, this is probably the best case scenario, some models push the front further north including the snowfall potential. The EURO4 below isn't that far out yet Snow signal isn't as strong on the EURO4, though high ground could get lucky, BBC weather website showed snow for here so we'll see.

Might get some brief frontal snowfall on Thursday won't be long probably reserved for the hills. The front may turn to snow on the back edge as well.

Perhaps some frontal snowfall Thursday morning.

Interesting 18z yes but no where near conclusive enough for low level snowfall in the south. The met office 6-15th Jan forecast is for broadly average temperatures and I agree with that. A north south divide looks to be the form horse, southerly tracking lows bringing the risk of snowfall across high ground of Northern England/Scotland. The 850 profiles suggesting transient snowfall to lower levels. Further south cool and wet with average temperatures, perhaps above average in the far south depending on the trajectory of the lows. We would need increased height rises to the north and for the pattern to push a couple 100 miles south to really see colder conditions. After the next two weeks things potentially get interesting with hints of a more prominent signal for height rises to our North West. But that's two weeks away, for now a cool wet period looks likely, its the little nuisances such as the southerly extent of the track of each low which could prove interesting if you live on high ground in N.Emgland/ Scotland

I think the models are trending towards a slightly colder scenario in the short term, the cold air inching ever so close to the UK. We are always going to struggle as it isn't a true Scandi High but the period between the 5-7th appears to be a tipping point where we could either be under inches of snow or cold rain. The 18z max temps for Yorkshire are projected to be; 5th: 2-5.c 6th: 1-5.c Ideally we need the low be a slider on the 7th but the angle of attack is unfavorable *for now*, a negative tilt could pull in some cold enough uppers for some snowfall and in this scenario uppers of only -2/-4 could do the trick. As it stands I'd say there's a low-moderate chance (25%) of snow on high ground in Northern England which is better than yesterday's zero chance of snowfall. For lower ground it isn't looking favorable, but as we saw a few weeks back across the North East a slow moving front with uppers of only -2/-3 can be supportive for low level snow. I'm cautiously optimistic for the output and If anything it looks to be getting alot cooler over the coming week.

The EURO4 suggests a sting in its tail with Frank, could be alot of rainfall, though the PPN accumulations are surprisingly low. Perhaps a hint of wintryness in the showers on New Years eve...

Good job I'm in Leeds on a 210m high hill through the whole of January! Anyway the GFS is unfavorable for any low lying areas in the north, not even a question of snow in the south. We need the cold air to dig west but even if we were to see the -5 line touch Britain it looks like the block is in an unfavorable position to allow the cold air to reach southern areas. The outlook is very messy and if I'm honest not the best outlook for snow lovers, yes frontal snowfall can deliver but I've seen many times it delivering cold rain for the majority (with the usual BBC bashing for forecasting widespread snowfall). There isn't going to be cold air embedded in place so while my location does well from these marginal setups I'd be weary of anywhere further south or west.

I think it could be a case of close but no cigar in the south, further north as the colder air digs in we should see some frontal snowfall from a slider low.

But why should the majority of hard working tax paying public pay for flood defenses for a minority who live on flood plains? It doesn't make economic sense, there is no value for money. We are not talking vast areas of the country, the flooding in Leeds affected the industrial low lying areas in the valley, there's a reason why there were practically zero houses flooded in Leeds because they are all built on the slopes not slap bang next to a river which is bound to flood over time. Of course cities like Leeds & York should see flood defenses in its city center as its the CBD where most of the regions economies are based but outside of that there really isn't a case, and if there was one they would have been built by now. If need be the government should buy the houses of those who are at particular risk of flooding allowing them to live in a less flood prone area.

I don't think building more flood defenses is the answer, we shouldn't stop mother nature. That river down the road a hundred years ago probably wasn't as big as it is now. Its normal for the landscape to change it doesn't stay static, and trying to make it so causes more problems elsewhere. And while this part of the world seems to be getting wetter, other parts of Britain (south east) seem to be getting drier. I think the idea that once a house is built it should stay there forever is silly, you build because at the time the building was in a suitable location, when its no longer suitable you move on. Its this mantra that we rule the world is what is destroying the planet, let nature take its own course.

Its so messy that there is less reason to hang on every run and no reason to be downbeat. Something could easily crop up around T150 in the form of a slider, maybe not as likely to snow in the south but still interesting.

Yup! I'm not seeing too much excitement if you live in Southern England, I think the best scenario is a slider low level delivering snowfall to Northern England/Scotland but struggling further south. An easterly isn't completely out of the woods but a slider low seems the more probable scenario.

Crazy to think this is one of the main roads into Leeds centre... https://twitter.com/ginadone81/status/680826274613452800

Its a good job most of the city is on a hill otherwise we would be in serious trouble. Pictures on Twitter of ASDA head office by the train station now under water. BBC news on BBC one on earlier highlighted Leeds city center as having a danger to life with 5 severe flood warnings.

Driving into Leeds center the route was completely underwater we had to abandon our travel. The route down Kirkstall Road past view Cinema is a good foot under water, one of the main roads into the city... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXLIQayWcAA9oLK.jpg