30 YEARS OF GLOBAL COOLING HAS ALREADY STARTED

[Cycles]

I know.

So, where did all the CO₂ put out by burning fossil fuels go? According to David not into the atmosphere since he is saying our effect on atmospheric CO₂ has been 'negligible'? So, where did it go? And if not into the atmosphere where has the extra CO₂ form pre industrial concentrations of ~280pp to the now ~385ppm come from?

Is CO₂ a ghg?

Remember...plants love CO2 and we need CO2 for the plants to produce oxygen. Plants aborb CO2 as do the oceans. It is a very complex sink and feedback system.

[Devonian]

Remember...plants love CO2 and we need CO2 for the plants to produce oxygen. Plants aborb CO2 as do the oceans. It is a very complex sink and feedback system.

It is - here is a reasonable primer on it.

Btw, where, iyo, has the CO₂ that's caused the rise in concentration from a pre industrial ~280ppm to the present ~385ppm come from (since you do say it's not from fossil fuels?)?

Edited July 11, 2008 by Devonian

[Gray-Wolf]

Off Topic but could we all try our best not KenR our guest? I'd like to find out where he's coming from and not try and trip him up/shoot him down in flames (in your opinion).

Very un-me but Plee-eeese?

Ta

[jethro]

Off Topic but could we all try our best not KenR our guest? I'd like to find out where he's coming from and not try and trip him up/shoot him down in flames (in your opinion).

Very un-me but Plee-eeese?

Ta

Agreed, thank you GW.

Whether we're pro or anti AGW, Mr. Dilley has kindly obliged to come on here and answer our questions about his work. I for one don't know a great deal about his theory or the gravitational effects of the Moon on climate, I doubt any of us do; but I certainly welcome the chance to discuss this topic and learn more.

[johnholmes]

very true GW but on the thread that Jethro kindly started for him to answer questions I have asked the same question twice but so far he has not answered; yet he answered questions following mine.

If we take up a stand point we must accept that people will question us and expect an answer to any question we may pose provided it is made politely and not as a wind up as GW mentions.

[Cycles]

very true GW but on the thread that Jethro kindly started for him to answer questions I have asked the same question twice but so far he has not answered; yet he answered questions following mine.

If we take up a stand point we must accept that people will question us and expect an answer to any question we may pose provided it is made politely and not as a wind up as GW mentions.

Not sure of the question you are referring about, I will answer your questions.

If you are asking about where the CO2 came from, it is from a natural and very complex feedback of CO2 stored for hundreds of years, or thousands of years...at times even hundreds of thousands.

As we enter colder 80,000 year periods CO2 is aborbed into the ice and snow, trapped under and in frozen tundra, absorbed into the oceans...all as natural sinks.

As temperatures rise and bare ground appears again, lots of stored CO2 is released back into the atmosphere, and as oceans warm from deposits deep down.

Even old vegitation covered by ice and snow rots and gives off carbon dioxide.

It is a very complex system and a lot is not known about it. But every 116,000 years CO2 levels increase from about 180ppm to 300ppm or even higher.

[johnholmes]

tks GW but that was not my question, its on the thread with your avatar as heading?

bit confusing on here to start with mate but this is the link

http://www.netweather.tv/forum/index.php?s...p;#entry1288135

Edited July 11, 2008 by johnholmes

[Cycles]

tks GW but that was not my question, its on the thread with your avatar as heading?

bit confusing on here to start with mate but this is the link

http://www.netweather.tv/forum/index.php?s...p;#entry1288135

Is this your questions? ..excuse my ignorance but just what correlates with what and over what time scale? So if the temperature shows a fall how near to that time scale is the magnetic or whatever variation showing similar?

are you able to show us a graph of a particular rise or fall, say the onset of the mini ice age in, what was it, the mid 1500-1600's

If this is the question, here is the answer.

The long-term gravitational cycles correlate with the long-term temperatures. By performing certain plots it can be determined within a few years when global warming will begin, and when it will end. Had 5 cycles during the past 1000 years, they all lined up with the beginning and ending of each warming cycle.

And...the gravitational cycle is now beginning the first stage of ending, as is warming with global cooling beginning. The second stage will be very dramatic, rapid deep cooling during a 5 to15 year period.

[johnholmes]

tks for that

are you able to show us a chart that demonstrates this very close correlation, ie: a chart with the gravitational cycles and the temperature cycles, say, as per my initial question, just prior to the last little Ice age or just prior to the last/this warming cycle?

[Cycles]

tks for that

are you able to show us a chart that demonstrates this very close correlation, ie: a chart with the gravitational cycles and the temperature cycles, say, as per my initial question, just prior to the last little Ice age or just prior to the last/this warming cycle?

Not at this point in time, the book just came out. globalweathercycles.com for the book

[johnholmes]

okay if not a chart then, back to the start of the mini ice age, say 1500-1600 or about then, tell us just what the gravitational aspect was doing and how that compared to the temperature changes?

[Wales123098]

soo? the temputures are droping in the British Isles and N.Europe last 2 years as you can see with our current July where the CET is a very low 54f. But right across the world they are continueing to rise and globably the CET is very high.

[beng]

soo? the temputures are droping in the British Isles and N.Europe last 2 years as you can see with our current July where the CET is a very low 54f. But right across the world they are continueing to rise and globably the CET is very high.

Are you implying that global temperatures in the last 2 years have been rising?!

Global temperatures have dropped around 0.8c - according to satellite measurements. Temperatures have also dropped in the Hadley and GISS data series.

Edited July 12, 2008 by beng

[Cycles]

okay if not a chart then, back to the start of the mini ice age, say 1500-1600 or about then, tell us just what the gravitational aspect was doing and how that compared to the temperature changes?

We have had 5 global warmings during the past 1000 years. Each global warming peaks as the 231 year gravitational cycle peaks, and colder inter-warming periods as associated with the troughs of the gravitational cycles.

One reason for the so called "little ice age" is that every 5th cycle of the 231 year gravitational cycle is the warmest (i.e. near 1100 AD and today). Every 5th cycle is the coolest (or less warm) global warming cycle, and this occured during the little ice age as a global warming period was not as intense as the 2 before it, and the 2 after it.

[BLAST FROM THE PAST]

soo? the temputures are droping in the British Isles and N.Europe last 2 years as you can see with our current July where the CET is a very low 54f. But right across the world they are continueing to rise and globably the CET is very high.

Wrong, the current drop is global.

BFTP

[BARRY]

Wrong, the current drop is global.

BFTP

It just shows, that as in this thread or the Arctic thread or the Antarctic thread or any other thread,that just because the temp rises or the Wilkins ice shelf falls apart or a glacier wax's and wanes that in the big picture of thing's everything changes and nothing stays the same. rant over

[Hiya]

We have had 5 global warmings during the past 1000 years. Each global warming peaks as the 231 year gravitational cycle peaks, and colder inter-warming periods as associated with the troughs of the gravitational cycles.

One reason for the so called "little ice age" is that every 5th cycle of the 231 year gravitational cycle is the warmest (i.e. near 1100 AD and today). Every 5th cycle is the coolest (or less warm) global warming cycle, and this occured during the little ice age as a global warming period was not as intense as the 2 before it, and the 2 after it.

Are the gravitational cycles linked/caused by the sun?

[Cycles]

Are the gravitational cycles linked/caused by the sun?

The gravitational cycles are linked to the sun as well, as seen in my research.

book is found at www.globalweathercycles.com

Written for the layman and the scientific world as well.

[laserguy]

Let's take the 'heat' off GWO for a moment....

Time to reopen the collieries?

http://www.houstonenergyanalyst.com/Global_Warming.html

[Cycles]

Let's take the 'heat' off GWO for a moment....

Time to reopen the collieries?

http://www.houstonenergyanalyst.com/Global_Warming.html

Actuallly the link to your web page does address a big concern that is not being addressed by governments.

As Earth slips into global cooling, more energy will be needed to heat homes and buildings throughout the mid to high latitude areas.

If indeed we will be experiencing temperatures much like the 1800s, we must start planning now for energy and food supplies. Global warming periods are actually more friendly than global cooling periods.

[osmposm]

soo? the temputures are droping in the British Isles and N.Europe last 2 years as you can see with our current July where the CET is a very low 54f. But right across the world they are continueing to rise and globably the CET is very high.

July CET av is currently running at about 15C = 59F...or do you mean one single day has been that low (if it has)?

And I'm afraid there's no such thing as a global CET: CET stands for Central England Temperature!! See here: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/hadle...bsdata/cet.html

Edited July 14, 2008 by osmposm

[BLAST FROM THE PAST]

Actuallly the link to your web page does address a big concern that is not being addressed by governments.

As Earth slips into global cooling, more energy will be needed to heat homes and buildings throughout the mid to high latitude areas.

If indeed we will be experiencing temperatures much like the 1800s, we must start planning now for energy and food supplies. Global warming periods are actually more friendly than global cooling periods.

GWO

When do you expect phase 2 to kick in.

BFTP

[sub-polar men]

GWO

When do you expect phase 2 to kick in.

BFTP

In his e-book it says 2022-2050 for the start of the phase 2.

Edited July 14, 2008 by sub-polar men

[Iceberg]

A cooling period during those 28 years. Not much room for wriggle there then.

[Gray-Wolf]

In his e-book it says 2022-2050 for the start of the phase 2.

I'm afraid that by 2022 there will have been quite radical changes from the rapid climate shift we are now experiencing. Maybe any cooldown at that time will be strong enough to drag us back into kilter and start to lock up the inundations that will have occured by that time.