North West Of England Regional Discussion Thread - Part 2

[Cheese Rice]

I hardly think that's a fair comparison taking into consideration that your location is over 4 times higher than mine?

Okay fair enough, Leeds center saw snow (30M).

[Backtrack]

Okay fair enough, Leeds center saw snow (30M).

Yeah it was just a fluke, pure luck I say.

[SP1986]

Well I've seen rain when you've seen snow BT and quite a few times, so it's even more marginal here that it is with you

[SparkleS]

Its not really been that freezing here last night only got down to -0.8 and today its been sticking at 2+ 3 degrees and clear skies, its jow 2.3 degrees and tons of cloud.

[Stratocumulus perlucidus]

Im still not confident that i will see any snow here in the west. Thats just because we have been let down so many times.

I had notived that the front was associated with a nw-ley a few days ago on

gfs

. we need the front and ppn to come early tbh.

[Backtrack]

Well I've seen rain when you've seen snow BT and quite a few times, so it's even more marginal here that it is with you

Very true, but a quick scan of the UKMO and GEM aught to put your mind at rest = snow all the way. :winky:

[SparkleS]

Just seen the sky news weather map on telly now, wow tons of snow falling all down this western side and central for saturday!

[Snow free zone]

Both the UKMO and the GME keep this as all snow - even for us in the NW. Quite a change in 12 hrs. Colder air also returns quicker if the UMKMO verifies.

[gearbox1002]

I've noticed all television forcasts are shaking around and changing constantly. BBC said things should be clear tomorrow, let's hope it is, I want a day off work.

[Backtrack]

Good ECM. -4C uppers all the way. Frontal event and embedded cold = snow.

So that's the GEM, ECM and UKMO for snow all the way. Come on GFS, you windows 7 reject.

Edited February 2, 2012 by Backtrack

[Lancashire Lass]

Sorry to bang on about my trees.......do we have an idea of how frosty Friday night Saturday morning its going to be?

I think you may struggle to get them planted. Ground is going to be too hard.

[Liam J]

-2.6c now and it seems to have stalled, thats cold enough for this time of night thanks!

Isle of Man is 1.0c sitting in the middle of the Irish Sea, shows how cold the air is. SST's are around +5/6c.

[Backtrack]

-2.6c now and it seems to have stalled, thats cold enough for this time of night thanks!

Isle of Man is 1.0c sitting in the middle of the Irish Sea, shows how cold the air is. SST's are around +5/6c.

See the ECM mate? Would remain as snow all the way should it verify

[The Northern Ramper]

And how many frontal snow events have you actually seen?

February 2011- Front stalls against high to our east, 7-11cm in Leeds, rain in North west

Januray 2011- Front pushing up from the south (one that stalled over Scotland), 3-5cm in Leeds, rain in North West

February 2010- Front pushes up from south, 7-10cm in Leeds, rain in North west

3rd December 2008- Front pushes in from east, 10-15cm in Leeds, rain in North West

I can't remember the exact dates but I remember the snowfall and remember it been restricted to central northern England.

Its not all that common as you think

You can't generalise all of the north west in that, i am not far from Halifax but still classed as the north west.

[The Northern Ramper]

See the ECM mate? Would remain as snow all the way should it verify

-4 minimum uppers all weekend if i read it correctly, coming up against entrenched cold, that has to be snow all the way surely?

[Martin M]

Please tell me the netweather radar is malfunctioning and the south east isnt getting isolated blizzard streamers

[Chris.R]

I'll back BT up here, I remember many fronts that have fell as snow here over just the last 3 years, for example:

23rd Dec 2009, warm front from the southwest, fell as snow very heavy, 10 CM here.

13 Jan 2010, warm front from southwest, fell as snow lasted all day, 5 CM.

18 Feb 2010, warm front, snowed all morning, 3 CM.

21 Feb 2010, warm front, 5 CM snow, melted in afternoon.

March 2010, several snow to rain fronts.

Second friday in Dec 2010, warm front, fell as snow here though not forecast.

This list doesn't include the many snow fronts of winter 2005-6 as well as countless others in the passed, and remember, I live on the coast!

There is a theme of expect the unforecast with this sort of sett up.

It's not over yet!

[Liam J]

See the ECM mate? Would remain as snow all the way should it verify

Yes ECM looking good, hopefully further upgrades on future runs! GFS keeps 850's below 0c briefly rising to -2/-3c before falling again, air thickness stays sub 530dam. All fine for frontal events, evaporative cooling should work a treat. Then the temperature falls sub zero behind the front.

Still not going to get excited until I physically see snow falling outside!

-2.7c now.

Edited February 2, 2012 by Liam J

[Backtrack]

-4 minimum uppers all weekend if i read it correctly, coming up against entrenched cold, that has to be snow all the way surely?

-4C uppers are perfect, but for a front like this, -1C/-2C would do, as it comes up against the strong surface cold.

It's golden. We're going to be plastered.

I'll back BT up here, I remember many fronts that have fell as snow here over just the last 3 years, for example:

23rd Dec 2009, warm front from the southwest, fell as snow very heavy, 10 CM here.

13 Jan 2010, warm front from southwest, fell as snow lasted all day, 5 CM.

18 Feb 2010, warm front, snowed all morning, 3 CM.

21 Feb 2010, warm front, 5 CM snow, melted in afternoon.

March 2010, several snow to rain fronts.

Second friday in Dec 2010, warm front, fell as snow here though not forecast.

This list doesn't include the many snow fronts of winter 2005-6 as well as countless others in the passed, and remember, I live on the coast!

There is a theme of expect the unforecast with this sort of sett up.

It's not over yet!

Thank you kind sir!

It was never over btw, if the ECM, GEM and UKMO are right (versus the GFS), then we're getting pasted.

[Lancashire Lass]

Yes ECM looking good, hopefully further upgrades on future runs! GFS keeps 850's below 0c briefly rising to -2/-3c before falling again, air thickness stays sub 530dam. All fine for frontal events, evaporative cooling should work a treat. Then the temperature falls sub zero behind the front.

Still not going to get excited until I physically see snow falling outside!

-2.7c now.

Awww come on Liam you know you want to ramp really........

A night of radar and lampost watching - plus lock in, in chat thread. Just been to cash & carry, bar well stocked up. All welcome.

Edited February 2, 2012 by Lancashire Lass

[gearbox1002]

Granada reports has stuck snow to the highest ground with rain for everyone else. It goes to show how touch and go this all is.

I think we will get snow here in st Helens but won't last long.

[Cheshire Freeze]

A very good t 60 fax chart it must be said....

[cfallon]

So is it official can we now start ramping? :-)

How many cms can we expect? 2-5 apparently according to local weather

[James M]

So is it official can we now start ramping? :-)

How many cms can we expect? 2-5 apparently according to local weather

I wouldn't ramp yet, I'm still expecting something to go wrong haha [/reverse psychology]

[Cecil Hogmanay Melchett]

Granada reports has stuck snow to the highest ground with rain for everyone else. It goes to show how touch and go this all is.

I think we will get snow here in st Helens but won't last long.

granada reports lol youd have better forecasts from ian brown- tv.co.uk