Scotland Weather discussion

[Scottish-Irish Skier]

17 hours ago, Snowandrocks said:

As others have said - hasn't really let up since late afternoon. 

So much so this rather odd feature has appeared in the garden. Not entirely sure what's going on there! 

Is there some sort of membrane underneath the lawn? Maybe put down by builders / previous owners to stop previous plants coming back up? The way it bursts suggests maybe.

If that's down in Oyne, springs appearing like that as the water table rises in natural valleys would be entirely expected, but grass should be rooted and the layer permeable normally. 

[Kirkcaldy Weather]

Always fascinating how these high end events evolve. 

Indeed for southern Fife the rain hasn't really became the biggest impact with wind taking centre stage, myself and @Hawesy plus others along the Fife coast need to really monitor the conditions by late tonight and first part of Saturday 

We've currently got a dominant cyclone stretching across the central part of England which then will develop dual centres with a larger upper level cold pool through northern and northwest Scotland plus a smaller cold pool along the main cyclone

The Eastern flanking centre will begin to deepen as it meanders close to the Northumberland coast

Wind concerns will be in two situations 

As mentioned previously the transition to Easterly which will see severe gusts again impacts along the Fife coast [remember the huge wave heights too] some data suggests this could extend through central Scotland think where the red snow warning in 2018 was and push that a few miles south id say 

Most severe impact might be with this secondary centre

These tend to be tricky to pinpoint the paths but the main trend will move it northwestward from Fife eventually over the far northwest to the western isles

Small shifts will see higher impacts over a bigger area but definitely me and @Hawesy first in line 

This new streamer style band will be convective driven usually a temp difference between 10 > about 13 degrees is optimal in sea effect bands to form

As the east to Northeast flow arrives the 850 temps in the next highest flash flood areas is around -2 with a look at  live sea temp at Aberdeen its at roughly 12 and a half degrees so that gives a difference of at least 14C plenty sufficient.

Across Fife a topping up of another 20 to 30mm. 2 main zones of EXTREME accumulations/ concern

we have multiple members in the zone up by Lumphanan Kemnay Alford etc etc

Next is through Cannich, Dingwall, Brora maybe the Bonar Bridge at threat

The trend on Sunday is what we are seeking, once the cyclonic features begin to expand this will cut off the feed of convective action with a much drier signal *relatively short lived however

 

[Snowandrocks]

20 minutes ago, Scottish-Irish Skier said:

Is there some sort of membrane underneath the lawn? Maybe put down by builders / previous owners to stop previous plants coming back up? The way it bursts suggests maybe.

If that's down in Oyne, springs appearing like that as the water table rises in natural valleys would be entirely expected, but grass should be rooted and the layer permeable normally. 

We're up out of Oyne itself on the lower slopes of Bennachie but are on the natural spring line - there are loads of little artesian springs popping up at our height if you follow the contour round the hill so upwelling water is to be expected. 

The seemingly waterproof grass is a bit of a mystery though! I've had a dig down in the daylight today and there's nothing obvious that could form a waterproof layer other than the tightly matted turf which has entirely separated from the very claggy clay soil underneath. 

[Scottish-Irish Skier]

13 minutes ago, Snowandrocks said:

We're up out of Oyne itself on the lower slopes of Bennachie but are on the natural spring line - there are loads of little artesian springs popping up at our height if you follow the contour round the hill so upwelling water is to be expected. 

The seemingly waterproof grass is a bit of a mystery though! I've had a dig down in the daylight today and there's nothing obvious that could form a waterproof layer other than the tightly matted turf which has entirely separated from the very claggy clay soil underneath. 

That clay (glacial boulder clay?) soil sounds like the culprit! That would certainly explain the lawn detachment!

[Hawesy]

Quality post @Kirkcaldy Weather 

[mountain shadow]

This is the Dighty Burn in the North of Dundee, it normally only about a metre wide and a few inches deep.

[Norrance]

@Kirkcaldy Weather My niece is getting married in Fife tomorrow at a place off the back road from Cupar to Leven and we are travelling down AM and staying at my cousins down  on Main Street, Lower Largo. I think that they have already written off the outside part of the wedding but can any other problems with travel etc be foreseen? Personally am thinking that the worst will be north of us but not too sure.

[blitzen]

38 minutes ago, Hawesy said:

Quality post @Kirkcaldy Weather 

Ditto!

Hi y'all...Yes it's me ( again) - come to join in your weather discussions after the summer which wasn't!!  I think, possibly, the lack of heat and very little sun is one of the main problems we are finding ourselves with now.   As with SS, lawn problems in abundance!   Mainly a moss problem though.   Can't get over how thick it had become and far too much to deal with.   Almost complete cover and felt like we were walking on a 4" sponge.   So we took the whole lot off after scarifying 3 times and started again.   We then reseeded a couple of times, spread over with some topsoil and now it is back to a lush, green lawn without a weed in sight!       If this type pf weather keeps up though it probably wont last long.

As KW was saying, this part of Fife didn't suffer as badly as expected. Thankfully the rain side of things was much less.   We had a bit of wind damage in that it uprooted our buddleia tree which fell across and blocked the top of the drive.  We managed to saw and lop the branches off though so ready for the tip on the next decent day.

Hope this post finds everyone well for whatever this winter presents us with!

[Sanserit]

We had a reasonably dry afternoon in Stonehaven with the sun making a brief appearance. The Slug road was clear in time for the drive home but lots of debris in evidence, running water draining out of the fields and remains of trees that had been cut up to be removed after being downed yesterday. River Dee didn’t look any higher at Crathes than it did on 7th October which is a good thing I suppose.

My pws is reporting 31mm of rain since midnight making a total so far for this event of 107.2mm, high temp of 9.6c and currently 5.7c. Have decided against travelling to Edinburgh tomorrow and the ice hockey game I was going to watch looks like being called off in any case.

[Aphelion]

Very little rain in Edinburgh. Took a wee walk down to Granton Harbour.

[Norrance]

Rain back on here.Strong East wind still feeling cold at 6C.
Someone was unlucky driving down towards the A90 this afternoon just West of Dundee. Auchterhouse weather station 5 miles to my North is now showing almost 130 mms in last two days.

Edited October 20, 2023 by Norrance

[Kirkcaldy Weather]

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[Northernlights]

Fine sunny afternoon with a few light showers coming along the coast and a number of snowy looking ones over the Cairngorms to the south. Currently wind getting up showery and 5c

Edited October 20, 2023 by Northernlights

[Quinach]

In end the flooding here was not as bad as the 18th Nov flood last year.

A lot down to the fact that the rain eased off a lot during the night - a few more hours of rain like we had in the evening and its would have been a different story.

A944 was still blocked for a time in the morning, even the parts open were a tad dicey..

Wind damage more noticeable though, fact a lot of the trees were still in full leaf would have played a part as will have the unusual wind direction, example of damage up at Castle Fraser...

Dry during the day with even a few glimpses of the sun, that strong wind there all day making things feel cold.

Wind picking up again this evening and bringing with it some sporadic pulses of heavy rain, time will tell if the flooding reappears tomorrow.

[Dundeeguy]

A final day of amber and red warnings here on the east coast.

a worrying day ahead with a further 30-50 mm expected here 

Edited October 21, 2023 by Dundeeguy

[Sanserit]

Rainfall has slowed on Deeside overnight with 14.8mm recorded compared to around 27mm for same period yesterday. Wind still gusting but doesn’t sound quite as strong as it has been.

Forgot to add temperature, currently 6.4c and been hovering between 6.0c and 6.6c since midnight.

Edited October 21, 2023 by Sanserit
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[SW Saltire]

A horrendously poor screenshot but I don’t even care. Winter’s coming! (It has already arrived on Cairngorm it would seem)

Edited October 21, 2023 by SW Saltire

[blitzen]

Winter isn't here yet in Fife just a continuation of the last few days...6.9c/4.9Nwind. - Small gusts.

Edited October 21, 2023 by blitzen

[Norrance]

1 minute ago, blitzen said:

Winter isn't here yet in Fife just a continuation of the last few days...6.9c/4.9Nwind.

Just heading down to Fife now for my niece's wedding. Looks like they wont be hanging around long for outside photies etc. Hope roads are ok?

[Hawesy]

6 minutes ago, Norrance said:

Just heading down to Fife now for my niece's wedding. Looks like they wont be hanging around long for outside photies etc. Hope roads are ok?

Should be okay. They were worse around here during the wet spell two weekends ago. The rain has been steady rather than  heavy locally. The A92 is still closed at Rathillet though. Hope the day goes well.

The screenshot from SEPA shows how it was much wetter here a couple of weeks back

Edited October 21, 2023 by Hawesy

[blitzen]

2 minutes ago, Norrance said:

Just heading down to Fife now for my niece's wedding. Looks like they wont be hanging around long for outside photies etc. Hope roads are ok?

Not sure.   Overnight wasn't too bad in this area.   Maybe if you log into Fife Jammers site you will probably get a clearer overall picture?  The sun has just made an appearance here as I type!   Enjoy your day!

[DR(S)NO]

1 hour ago, SW Saltire said:

A horrendously poor screenshot but I don’t even care. Winter’s coming! (It has already arrived on Cairngorm it would seem)

 

[Halfamilefromnowhere]

Again very wet today much colder though at 4.3C in bitter North East wind

[Sceptical]

Dog walker films winds lifting forest floor in Scotland

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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David Nugent-Malone captures the ground "moving like sea" in Mugdock while walking his dog, Jake.

 

[Methuselah]

5 minutes ago, Sceptical said:

Dog walker films winds lifting forest floor in Scotland

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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David Nugent-Malone captures the ground "moving like sea" in Mugdock while walking his dog, Jake.

 

I've seen that myself -- in Glenurquhart back in February 1989. It played havoc with the kids' Duplo!